Elian
Fascism In America
The Days of Rage

During the Clinton years, we've had a heretofore unknown opportunity to see the political left in its truest set of clothing. We've had a president who is a shameless and barefaced liar, who gives lip service to the 'rule of law' and then turns around and ignores those very laws. He is willing to, and has, attacked foreign nations to serve his political agenda. He is a murderer who has killed in our names - Americans. He has sold us and our secrets out to our enemies while increasing the duty and burden on the military by 300% without replenishing the resources and budgets used in those military missions making our enemies stronger whilst weakening our own forces.
It is a national shame that many of our military personnel must be on food stamps because the government will not pay them a living wage.

Just when we think we've seen the limits of what the left can do and we wait patiently for that day in January when he's to leave office, Clinton hits us with another one, Elian. Not content to attempt to nationalize the health care industry, the tobacco industry, the gun industry and Microsoft, Der Fuerher Klinton and Oberfuerher Reno have set their sights on one little boy, bringing the might of the greatest government on the planet down onto the back of a six year old child.
 
 


Elian At Gunpoint








While federal storm troopers kicked in the doors of a private residence without benefit of a warrant duly issued by a court (of law), the fourth and fourteenth amendments to the United States Constitution were summarily dismissed by Klinton and his party of fascists. This is the very same group who have, for years, attempted to convince us the second amendment (the right to bear arms) is not in the national interest.

"Give us the fucking kid or we'll shoot you" a female agent yelled as they brandished machine guns at the family they were intent on terrorizing. One news service cameraman was hit across the head with a gun butt rendering him unconscious. Fortunately, there was a second cameraman who did get the infamous shot.
 
 


Into Gentle Fascist Hands
This Is The Village?







In typical fashion, the government pulled their 'law enforcement action' on an off news day coming like thieves in the night.

Photos You Haven't Seen on the News

Klinton was not elected, either time, by a majority of the population. We were told, 'integrity didn't matter'.
Lock step syncopates in the left who have divorced themselves of any ability to engage in original thought joined a chorus of 'sex doesn't matter' while looking the other way to the perjuries, violations of campaign finance laws and murder committed overseas by Der Fuerher. The saying of "Give me Liberty of Give me Death" was replaced by "Give me Bill and pay me off" as taxation against the working classes was increased to pay for those who won't work but will vote the liberal ticket.

The arrogance of the ruling fascists in the Executive Branch of government has already gone past a defiance and disrespect for the the court systems, the place most Americans think justice resides. Is it little wonder that many states have serious separatist movements calling for a withdrawal from the United States.

You thought Ruby Ridge and Waco were isolated incidents. Now you know that the state owns your child and they can stick a machine gun in your face anytime they  want to. Due process? Not in a fascist state.

People, you brought this government on yourself. You traded your faith in the Almighty, under whom this country was founded, for the empty rhetoric of an arrogant bunch of fascists spouting socialistic jingoisms. You allowed yourself to be bought and then they sold you out. You allowed them to convince you they were better suited to raise your kids and they gave them condoms instead of morals. You turned your eyes and gave a deaf ear to those who tried to warn you - calling them right wing fanatics or religious nuts. You accused them of conspiracies while you willing went blind to the very conspiracy you willfully and knowingly elected and allowed to be perpetrated 'in the name of compassion'.

The TRUTH is now in your face. What are you going to do about it? These are the Days of Rage.
 
 
 

April 25, 2000 Update:

Oberfuerher Reno states she obtained a 'search warrant' as her pretext for abducting Elian. A Search Warrant is for a 'thing', an arrest warrant is for a person AND only one who is established as a probable criminal. Elian is still being held incommunicado in the company of Greg Craig, Der Fuerher's attorney, and mind washing 'psychologists'.
 
 

Public Comments courtesy of Free Republic

Breaking FEDS Have Taken Elian

     News/Current Events News
     Source: CBS News
     Published: 4/22/00
     Posted on 04/22/2000 02:18:01 PDT by kattracks

CBS TV just announced that Federal marshals have taken Elian Gonzalez from the home of his Miami Family.
 

1 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:18:01 PDT by kattracks
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4 or 5 men and one woman broke into the home. Tape shows them beating people back and the woman running out of the
house with a terrified and crying Elian in her arms.

2 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:20:16 PDT by kattracks
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To: kattracks

Commie-stormtroop-bastards... on Good Friday, they showed their true stripes. Every last Democrat.... every last federal law
enforcement officer, works for Castro-Clinton.

3 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:20:55 PDT by Rebel and a Patriot
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To: kattracks

There was raid and it looks like they got Elian.

4 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:22:15 PDT by dennisw
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Elian was wearing only his underwear. Protestors in the street outside the home tried to get in the way of the thugs but were
beaten back.

5 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:22:43 PDT by kattracks
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To: Rebel and a Patriot

its going down now on cnn

6 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:22:53 PDT by fsh1138
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To: kattracks

*uck our govt.

7 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:23:10 PDT by Professional
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To: dennisw

Looks like they DID get the kid

8 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:23:33 PDT by dennisw
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To: kattracks

Very reminiscent of Tiananmen Square ... liberty in America too, just like in China!

9 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:24:00 PDT by Rebel and a Patriot
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To: kattracks

I am watching a fifth-string news reader stammer through describing the video that appears to be coming to him raw from
Miami.

Remember the insistence by the family that Elian not be snatched in the night?

10 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:24:01 PDT by L.N. Smithee
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To: kattracks

Very reminiscent of Tiananmen Square ... liberty DIED in America too, just like in China!

11 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:24:22 PDT by Rebel and a Patriot
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To: dennisw

They did, took him screaming and crying and jumped into a waiting car.

12 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:24:32 PDT by kattracks
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To: L.N. Smithee

A woman INS agent took little Elian and he was screaming and crying! I hope she is proud of herself! I hate these people!

13 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:25:10 PDT by kcvl
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To: dennisw

INS goons in black helmets and suits. Armed. About ten agents. All holding guns and threatening the family.

Like a drug raid on TV.

14 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:26:39 PDT by dennisw
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To: kattracks

They took him at 5:15 after talks had broken down. they will deliver him to Gonzalez at the house in Bethdesda Md.

15 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:27:52 PDT by kattracks
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To: L.N. Smithee

INS officers are standing by the minivans that the INS arrived at the scene in, and shouting to other officers while projectiles
are coming at them from protestors.

When you see the footage of the van with Elian inside being driven away, you will notice that the driver is wearing a bandanna
to obscure his/her face. God only knows why.

16 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:28:17 PDT by L.N. Smithee
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To: kattracks

Now the riots begin.

17 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:28:43 PDT by this_ol_patriot
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To: kattracks

Hey..freepers, we need some phone numbers here. We need to light up the switchboards in Washington, DC. We need to kick
some "lawmakers" out of their beds.

By the way, did you notice how the federal "law enforcement" thugs all had masks on, just like terrorists!! If I were a Federal
Marshal, I'd be tossing my badge at Reno about now.

18 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:28:44 PDT by Rebel and a Patriot
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To: kcvl

They should all burn in hell from clinton on down.

19 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:29:27 PDT by kattracks
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To: kattracks

Has this all been caught on cameras? Hopefully the American people find the Clinton/Reno breaking and entering a bit over the
top.

20 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:29:37 PDT by Professional
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To: this_ol_patriot

No kidding. I'm watching CNN right now and people are ($?@ off! And on Easter Sunday no less!!!

21 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:30:12 PDT by Tree of Liberty
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To: this_ol_patriot

This is a riot, LA and Rodney King was about oppression. I HATEHATEHATE the Clinton admnistration.

22 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:31:38 PDT by Professional
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To: kattracks

Very sick. Things will get hot quick in the streets. Tomorrow's Saturday not Monday - people don't work.

I'm sick.

23 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:32:09 PDT by Senator Pardek
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To: kattracks

This makes me SICK to my stomach! I can't believe Clinton/Reno/Gore/Hillary!. I won't forget EVER!!! Greg Craig, I hope
you can live with your sorry self! May Castro keep you close because you will need him!

I want to make sure that Bush uses that tape against Al Gore. He could have stopped it! But NO, Albert Gore, you have
slapped us all in the face, you jerk!

I couldn't be more angry seeing that woman running with that child screaming and crying!!! It wasn't enough to lose his mother
now he has to be KIDNAPPED because Bill Clinton wanted it done!

May he burn in Hell!!!

24 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:32:14 PDT by kcvl
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The Cubans will never let him out of their compound unless it's to go back to Cuba. No matter what the courts say.

25 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:32:31 PDT by D-fendr
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To: kattracks

Anyone in San Diego want to march tomorrow????

26 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:32:41 PDT by Rebel and a Patriot
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To: Professional

Yes, the tape show the thugs pushing people aside and the woman carrying Elian running and getting into the car. The tape
clearly shows Elian. The poor kid was terrified and crying.

27 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:32:49 PDT by kattracks
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To: kattracks

The raid was done as peaceably as can be done in such a situation.

A real display of jackbooted power and how it's a waste of time to buck the Federal government.

Selling secrets to China is OK but keeping a boy form Kastro is against  the law. A banner day in US history. This is not the
country I grew up in. All the s##theads in DC are happy today. All the traitors and America destroyers are smiling.

28 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:33:22 PDT by dennisw
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To: Tree of Liberty

Sorry, got my days screwed up there. Thought today was Sunday.

29 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:34:06 PDT by Tree of Liberty
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To: Rebel and a Patriot

May the reaper come and clean up the mess called Amerika...

30 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:35:11 PDT by TheRootOfAllEvil
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To: Professional

Has this all been caught on cameras? Hopefully the American people find the Clinton/Reno breaking and entering a bit
over the top.

No they won't. The raid was well executed. No one was hurt. The sheeple will burp and roll over back to sleep.

31 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:36:17 PDT by dennisw
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To: dennisw

And these were the people who were so concerned for Elian's psychological well being. If this kid isn't traumatized beyond
repair by this it will be a miracle.

32 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:36:21 PDT by kattracks
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To: kattracks

Imagine the terror that child is going through..to be awakend by the sound of a door being kicked in and strangers grabbing him
from his bed. I guess none of them ever learned how to knock or ring a doorbell.

33 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:36:45 PDT by MouthOfSouth
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To: kattracks

I agree!! How in the Hell CAN THIS HAPPEN HERE????????????????

34 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:37:07 PDT by Pray4USA
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To: dennisw

Yup, why not vote for Gore or Buchanan so we can have AT LEAST 4 more years of this $hit!

35 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:37:13 PDT by Professional
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To: kattracks

The last AP photo of Elian before he was seized by INS thugs.
 
 

Elian Gonzalez walks in the backyard of his Miami home as family members, friends and attorneys gather in the background,
Friday, April 21, 2000. Elian's Miami family is in a custody battle with Elian's father, Juan Miguel Gonzalez and the U.S.
government concerning the young Cuban boy. (AP Photo/Wilfredo Lee)

36 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:38:03 PDT by HAL9000
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I still can't believe what just happened! I know that that family must be torn to pieces. I want to CRY! Marisleysis will be
crushed along with the uncle. How can this happen in the USA?

That gang of thugs in the Whitehouse can't leave fast enough for me. Reunite him with his father my rear-end. They will be in
Cuba before Monday!

37 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:38:12 PDT by kcvl
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They took him at 5:15 after talks had broken down. they will deliver him to Gonzalez at the house in Bethdesda Md.

Mark my words, kat -- the sticking point will be revealed to be some measure that would have made it necessary for Juan
Miguel to meet Elian in an area out of the prying eyes of the Cuban ministry in D.C.

I just happened to be flipping the dial and came across Roseanne's bizarre glorified cable-access show, which is shown early
morning on KPIX, a CBS-owned station. I was trying to figure out what the heck temporary tattoo she had on her forehead
when the bulletin about Elian came on.

Now, the bulletin is over, and Roseanne's back on. I flipped the channel, and on another station is -- believe it or not -- "Mr.
Smith Goes To Washington", with James Stewart.

38 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:38:33 PDT by L.N. Smithee
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To: dennisw

I am surprised that they did it so clean. I really thought innocent people were going to die.

39 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:38:50 PDT by Brad C.
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To: Pray4USA

Unfortunately, we as a people only have ourselves to blame. As the saying goes: "The price of liberty is eternal vigilance". This
is just another in a long line of events which bears witness to a vast lack of vigilance.

40 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:39:52 PDT by Tree of Liberty
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To: kattracks

The CBS reporter says they are being told tear gas was used. After they had Elian in the van and before they could shut the
door one of the bastards sitting in the van with a rifle had a grin on his face. Well done, slime!

41 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:40:26 PDT by kattracks
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To: ALL

Go in and check your babies and be thankful they are safe tonight. One day, they may be next.

42 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:40:35 PDT by Senator Pardek
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To: kcvl

Greg Craig, I hope you can live with your sorry self!

I wouldn't want to be Craig. He'll never have another peaceful nights sleep. The Cuban-American's will never forget. They will
never, ever let this may die in bed. His life is over.

43 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:41:20 PDT by Rebel and a Patriot
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To: kattracks

What cowards these bastards are!

44 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:41:41 PDT by Bullish
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To: Brad C.

I wonder if we will see him with his father before they go back to Cuba? I really doubt it. Well, at least now, the father can beat
the crap out of the kid and can't be arrested. Remember they are on Cuban soil. He can do any damn thing he wants with "his
son". I am so angry!!!

45 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:41:45 PDT by kcvl
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No they won't. The raid was well executed. No one was hurt. The sheeple will burp and roll over back to sleep.

Heck, it's Saturday morning. Most sheeple may not even know until the afternoon edition of the paper (if they have one) or the
evening news tomorrow.

46 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:41:49 PDT by L.N. Smithee
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To: Brad C.

Total news blackout. We have puppies on our friggin' news station.

47 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:41:53 PDT by piasa
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To: Senator Pardek

Not to mention a holiday weekend for a lot of people. Three days off for all those people and the city could burn.

48 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:42:41 PDT by Brad C.
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I cannot believe that millions of Americans will not be outraged at this. I hope that Amreica will surprise me as they have in the
past and make this administration pay dearly for this cruelty.

49 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:42:43 PDT by D-fendr
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To: dennisw

This is the most horrible thing I have seen since Waco. It was absolutly terrible. People are being arrested.

GOD DA** you Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton. Janet Reno, and Greg Craig. Janet Reno just turned the child over to Castro and
his Doctors. May Janet rest in Hell. I fear for those in Miami right now.

Tthis child will be on a private plane with Greg Craig, the absent father and out of this country before noon today. Say your
prayers the child bends easily.

ROSE

50 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:43:03 PDT by razorback-bert
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To: kcvl

Xlinton and 'Greg-Craig' are *hores for satan - Juan
(the worm) Miguel Gonzalez is a *hore for Castro, who
is a *hore for satan. Wow, what a country full of
worthless socialist(=CuChicom communist)
satan-loving *hores...

51 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:43:21 PDT by TheRootOfAllEvil
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To: piasa

The networks haven't broken into programming (many local stations have probably gone off the air for the night), but it's been
live for about a half hour on Fox CNN and MSNBC.

52 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:43:52 PDT by Tree of Liberty
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To: piasa

Go to Fox News. They have it on live now.

53 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:44:39 PDT by tschatski
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To: L.N. Smithee

Heck, we just started getting Fox News on Cable. Whoever the woman reporter is, she's gushing breathless with a word by
word regurgitation of the Clinton line. Absolutely ONE sided. No recognition at all that the "rule of law" is not the rule of law at
all, but the Clinton dictatorship in full bloom. I turned Fox off. Just another bunch of news-leftists.

54 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:45:20 PDT by Rebel and a Patriot
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To: Professional

I actually just got through throwing up I was so sick.

No doubt this is going to be on television around the world.

Happy Easter America. Send your bunnies to Castro.

55 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:45:20 PDT by Ronin
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To: Rebel and a Patriot

I am ashamed of this administration. This is not the country that I grew up in.

So many decent people gave so much to protect and build a great nation. How did these monstrous, vicious , evil traitors
become so powerful?

56 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:45:39 PDT by ruledbytraitorsand fools
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To: Rebel and a Patriot

I wouldn't want to be Craig. He'll never have another peaceful nights sleep.

I disagree. Clintonoids have bailed when the going got tough before (McCurry, Reich, Emanuel, Panetta), but none of them
were his lawyers.

57 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:45:47 PDT by L.N. Smithee
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To: Rebel and a Patriot

I doubt it bothers Greg Craig. If he could work for Fidel Castro and Bill Clinton he has no heart or brain. He's probably
laughing with his buddy Bill and Hillary! saying we told them to follow the "rule of law". Of course that doesn't include any of
them.

I know that little boy is scared to death. Screw the whole lot of them who were involved. I hope one day they will suffer what
they have caused good, honest people who were taking care of Elian. It breaks my heart.

58 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:45:53 PDT by kcvl
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To: tschatski

I never thought I'd live to see the day something like this could happen in America.

59 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:46:07 PDT by kattracks
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To: kattracks, LarryLied, DeSoto, Jim Robinson

SIGNIFICANT -- FOX News only one sholwing footage when I awakened and started watching at
5:10 or so.

CBS, NBC, ABC nothing. one blacked out, one infomercial selling crap, one prerecorded thing
about all-american boy wanting prayer in school.

CNBC -- bowflex comm still at 5:42; CNN calls it "breaking news" when they start finally covering
story when I check there again at 5:42.

Way to go, media. Way to go.

60 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:46:52 PDT by cynic#456,789
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To: kattracks

INS captured the runaway slave and are now returning him to his owners.

61 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:47:04 PDT by FrdmLvr
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A guy that was in the house was told "Give me the boy or we'll shoot you!"

Oh think I'll US my Cato mini -Constitution as a coaster for my coffee.

62 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:47:22 PDT by Senator Pardek
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To: kattracks

i hope the name of every jackboot thug involved in this raid is widely published...

63 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:47:55 PDT by frankm
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To: kattracks

When the child now disappears, I hope the 11th circuit of appeals holds Reno in contempt. You watch, the child is going to
disappear… The Feds cannot search the diplomat's car. They will slip him back to Cuba soon.

64 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:48:09 PDT by DB
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To: kattracks

I was sleeping with one eye open and tuned to FOX...

The first man out of the home, after the thugs ran off with Elian, said the feds knocked the door down and immediately started
spraying gas. He said the gas attack was unprovoked.

65 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:48:30 PDT by InfraRed
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To: kattracks

Fuck Clinton/Reno

66 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:48:32 PDT by Always Right
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To: kattracks

well, it took the 'toons legal troubles off the news.

67 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:48:39 PDT by razorback-bert
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To: kattracks

Grabbing a terrorized little boy out of his bed in the middle of the night to ferry him to his communist captors, yelling at the
people he loves, "Give us the boy or we'll shoot you"...

This is Comrade Reno's idea of protecting a child from "abuse."

Is there any doubt that, in the long, long line of despicable acts by this utterly despicable administration, that this is, in some
ways, the most despicable act of all?

Many times over the last seven long years I've stopped and wondered, "Can the Clintonites possibly get any worse?" Again
and again and again and again, they've answered that question in the affirmative. I shudder to ask it again.

It's time to pray. And keep praying. For our country.

68 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:48:45 PDT by mikewats
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To: frankm

They won't be. The cowards were wearing masks.

69 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:48:51 PDT by kattracks
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To: Pray4USA

How in the Hell CAN THIS HAPPEN HERE?

It happened because people let it. After weeks of hysteria and tough-talk, when push came to shove, nobody had the will to
put up a fight.

70 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:48:55 PDT by Sandy
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To: frankm

Fox is reporting he was taken to a waiting plane.

71 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:49:44 PDT by tschatski
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To: Professional

As far as many are seeming to be concerned, the first shot in the 'revolution' has likely been fired...war on the Republic (with a
piece of stih communist-who*e stinking up a crapper at the WH) was declared long ago (Xlinton was merely the 'cherry' on the
cake of 'progressive-pornocrat-socialists(=communists) - and maybe the recoil is coming...

72 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:50:45 PDT by TheRootOfAllEvil
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To: cynic#456,789

NBC is the only one showing live coverage and interviews here in SoCal. I can't believe the other networks don't think this is
news??

I don't know about cable, I don't have it.

73 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:50:58 PDT by Bullish
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To: tschatski

Fox is reporting he was taken to a waiting plane.

He's supposedly being taken to Md. to be with his father... until they can get him to Cuba and his real father.

74 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:51:18 PDT by kattracks
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To: Senator Pardek

Watching live on NBC. Interviews with supporters of the relatives:

One man says, "we will remember this for Al Gore, Dont vote for Al Gore!"

Another says, "I was born in Cuba, I know what they will do to him in Cuba… he's going back to the Cuban interest section,
they will begin to program him there…

Another: "In America they did this!…"

75 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:51:28 PDT by D-fendr
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To: kattracks

"They should all burn in hell from clinton on down."

Don't worry. THEY WILL!

I can't help it. I am crying. That poor, poor little boy. This will live with him forever, what they did to him. I probably won't be
around to see it, but you mark my words ... that kid will make retribution some day!

I hate those people so much. Oh, how I hate them!

76 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:51:48 PDT by JudyB1938
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To: kattracks

May God forgive us all. I'm not sure I would in His place.

77 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:52:10 PDT by Tree of Liberty
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To: kattracks

No word what airport they took him to.

78 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:52:41 PDT by tschatski
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To: kattracks

Get out the tapes and tape everything, because you won't see it again uncut.

79 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:52:56 PDT by piasa
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To: tschatski

Clinton is the law.

80 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:53:25 PDT by Professional
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NBC reporter says the relatives were on the phone with DOJ discussing negotiations when the agents hit.

81 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:53:45 PDT by D-fendr
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To: kattracks

His father is still in the house in MD. Hasn't left all night.

82 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:53:55 PDT by tschatski
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To: kattracks

I can't believe this is happening. That poor little boy, he must be so scared. I just can't believe this.

83 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:54:22 PDT by Born in a Rage
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To: kattracks

Lets see who will stand and be counted for Elian in congress. The truth will come out in time, Clinton will again be on the wrong
side of history.

84 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:54:51 PDT by DB
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To: Senator Pardek

One Easter, Clinton celebrated by sodomizing Monica in the Oval Office.

This Easter , Clinton celebrates by sodomizing the nation and the memory of all who have fought against oppression.

Clinton may not be the antichrist, but he does one hell of an impression.

If the worst suffering known to man should befall Clinton and his minions.... I'll have to buy champagne for everyone I meet!

85 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:55:42 PDT by ruledbytraitorsand fools
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To: Born in a Rage

My heart is breaking thinking of what that poor little boy is going through now and what's in store for him.

86 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:55:43 PDT by kattracks
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To: tschatski

Showing emergency officers and gurneys. Press conference at 7am.

87 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:55:45 PDT by Born in a Rage
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To: tschatski

I wonder how much of Miami is going to be left 24 hours from now.

88 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:55:51 PDT by Ronin
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To: kattracks

And the American people roll over and go back to sleep.

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Even among those who profess the most concern, is there a single Freeper on the way to Miami--or Washington--with his
musket in his hand?

Such dogs don't deserve to be free.

89 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:55:57 PDT by dsc
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To: Sandy

It happened because people let it.

And it happened because the American people are too friggin' selfish to give a damn about anything but themselves.

God is not looking kindly at our country right now...but it's comforting to know that Kirintong, Reno and the rest of the slimey
bastards in Washington will rot in hell for what they've done to the United States.

I think they should release John Hinckley...and show him a picture of Kirintong and Jodie Foster.

90 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:56:26 PDT by blake6900
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To: kattracks

When the local police started moving the people and barricades last night night, I know it would happen. The ones who saw
this on TV, just witnessed the shame of america.

91 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:56:40 PDT by gulfcoast6
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To: Ronin

I don't think there will be any riots.

92 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:57:03 PDT by tschatski
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To: kattracks

Mine too. I'm so sad. Sad for Elian, sad for America.

93 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:57:16 PDT by Born in a Rage
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To: Always Right

DITTO!

94 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:58:15 PDT by DB
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To: razorback-bert

This sure messes up my day!

95 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:59:00 PDT by Chapita
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To: Ronin

They are showing the crowd getting larger.. the goons are spraying the crowd with some kind of gas.

96 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:59:05 PDT by kattracks
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To: Born in a Rage

All that's left now is for Trent Lott to put a wreath of olive leaves on Clinton's head.

97 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:59:05 PDT by Tree of Liberty
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To: Born in a Rage

No uniform Miami police officers on the scene! More people are showing up angry. The streets are filling up. This is NOT
over!

The mayor showed up and he didn't know it was going to happen. He was crying and holding one of the protestors. My heart
is breaking...

Justice Dept. official says he is on his way to DC from Miami airport.

98 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:59:07 PDT by kcvl
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Witness: "I was part of the human chain… they hit me with a gunbutt, I was unconscious for a while… I feel this is the same
thing that happens in Cuba… gestapo tactics… negotiations were going on… " He's cut off for an interview with a member of
the NCC, Rev. Joan Campbell:

"The AG gave her all for a peaceful solution, it wasn't possible… literally the only choice left, the father will be reunited and I'm
thankful… this is a very private moment for Juan… Juan knows, he's been part of the negotiations, nothing done without his
being part of it."

I can't type this cruel fools words anymore.

99 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:59:08 PDT by D-fendr
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To: tschatski

Fox is saying he is on the way to MD now.

100 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:59:14 PDT by tschatski
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To: Ronin

That's a good question. I don't think they'll destroy their own communities, like those idiots in L.A did.

101 Posted on 04/22/2000 02:59:40 PDT by rebelyell
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To: mikewats

The feds were merely trying to acclimate Elian for what he will experience in Cuba.

102 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:00:20 PDT by monocle
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To: ruledbytraitorsand fools

Why did this nation ever enter any war at all? Wasn't it to defeat tyranny? Now we send people that risked their lives, even lost
their mother, back to the tyranny? What has happened?!

103 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:00:25 PDT by Professional
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To: cynic#456,789

I was watching CNN about 5:08 (had switched from Fox Financial News)and they showed the agents kicking in the door,
people being sprayed, etc..then switched back to Fox who was also covering it.

104 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:00:32 PDT by MouthOfSouth
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To: kattracks

It is going to be a long, hot weekend. I wonder why no one over in Miami has learned from Waco; they should have been
expecting at least this level of violence from the Federals.

105 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:00:39 PDT by tyen
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To: frankm

"i hope the name of every jackboot thug involved in this raid is widely published..."

That's okay, Frank. Jesus knows.

And remember what he said ... something about better not harm the hair on a little one's head. I can't remember how it goes,
but those people are facing one hard judgement and punishment in hell!

106 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:01:04 PDT by JudyB1938
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To: cynic#456,789
 

 Elian taken from his Miami home by the federales in an early
 morning raid. Tear gas used on crowd while INS and Border Patrol
 agents stormed the house. Elian was whisked away from a closet
 where he was in hiding. 20 to 40 armed federal agents were used in
 the raid. No reports of injuries. At least one woman was seen being
 taken away in an ambulance. It is assumed that Elian is now on his
 way to Washington. No Miami police at the scene.
 

107 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:01:15 PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: ruledbytraitorsand fools & Elian supporters (freedom supporters)

from the closet...

And we just HAD to pay our Federal Taxes a few days ago. These thugs will get a raise, too. Pray 4 Peace.........

108 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:01:18 PDT by Pray4USA
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To: dennisw

Black boots, helmet and BLACK BOOTS. Gonna be some trouble over this, too late, to little. Ladies and gentlemen, Our
U.S. Government at work.

109 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:01:44 PDT by gulfcoast6
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To: kattracks

RENO AND MAIMI MUST BURN

110 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:01:52 PDT by The Wizard
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To: kattracks

Welcome to Klintons America

111 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:01:58 PDT by Species8472
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To: Tree of Liberty

There was an AP reporter inside when the INS kidnapped Elain. He was hiding in a closet! This is so sad! Rita Cosby said
people in DC were not pleased. Well, imagine that? Maybe someone will let Clinton/Gore/Reno/Hillary! know how they feel.

112 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:02:01 PDT by kcvl
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To: Born in a Rage

Fidel is lighting up another stoogie right now.

Phase one complete, now we just stick the little brat into that specially constructed trunk, slap some diplomatic seals on it, and
he will be back in my hands in just a few more hours.

Hah!

113 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:02:10 PDT by Ronin
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To: dsc

What an enemy of freedom Clinton has turned out to be!

He should rot in hell ASAP!

114 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:02:23 PDT by Bullish
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To: kattracks

They're already editing it heavily. By monday they'll have everyone thinking they walked out arm and arm, singing Peter
Cottontail.

115 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:02:36 PDT by piasa
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To: Chapita

This is the best way for it to end. I knew it was going to happen this away. Maybe, just maybe people will be offended by the
goverment coming in the night to take a kid away.

116 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:02:47 PDT by razorback-bert
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To: dsc

If a single American had been there with a "musket" in hand, that would have given Reno's fascist stormtroopers the green light
to open fire on the crowd.

If there is not a riot, and they do not burn Miami to hell, then this will not carry the news for even a day. On the other hand, if
hell does break loose, and there are deaths, the media will in lockstep blame "right-wing-extremist" Cuban-American's for the
carnage.

If you're going to start a war, you don't do it as a "single American" with a "musket" in hand. You do en-mass, with a million
Americans, and you march on Washington peacefully, close this nation down, and wake up the sheeple to the fact that their
liberty is at stake. If that fails, then the Constitution is indeed toilet paper, and it's time to use the guns.

One man with a gun is a terrorist. A million Americans with or without guns are an Army that cannot be denied.

117 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:03:07 PDT by Rebel and a Patriot
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To: Tree of Liberty

Yup, I figured some dumb ass like you would somehow have to put blame on a Republican. Go figure.

118 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:03:17 PDT by Professional
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To: tyen

They should have never trusted Reno and they should have known that one of the most religious Christian holidays would not
stop the thugs. In fact it was the ideal time for the bastards to attack.

119 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:03:22 PDT by kattracks
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To: rebelyell

I agree with you. I believe they'll be able to focus that rage effectively. What shape that focus will take on, I'm not sure yet.

120 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:03:28 PDT by Tree of Liberty
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To: kattracks

I'm afraid this is only the preview of what we are going to see in our futures, they did their old, promise them everything and
give them hell to pay. This should be a great protest day in DC. Record crowds.

Reno will never retire in Fla. now.

121 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:03:30 PDT by sgw587
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To: kattracks, PoisedWoman, Prodigal Daughter, Republic

and now in the ultimate puke--Joan Brown Campbell says in phone call to NBC which is now showing pretaped footage "This
is a very private moment for Juan Miguel and his wife, and we should respect that privacy." YES, castro and goons will need
that, won't they?
--AND--she concludes by saying

"I do not know the details, no one should know the details.. . No, These are not gestapo tactics - this is a little boy who
NEEDS TO GET HIS LIFE BACK"

122 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:04:14 PDT by cynic#456,789
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To: mikewats

         Communism's 5 O'Clock Knock
                                      -is back.

test

123 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:04:15 PDT by Justa
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To: kcvl

It looked to me like the inside of the house was dark, I'm afraid any video or pics from there will not be possible.

124 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:04:40 PDT by D-fendr
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To: Jim Robinson

Keep a picture of "that woman" kidnapping that child! I hope everyone remembers her face and will never let her forget that
she just sold her soul to Bill Clinton and Fidel Castro. What a whore!

Jack Thompson is on the telephone talking to Fox. He said Janet Reno doesn't care about little children, she doesn't have any
of her own. This is trauma, he said. Reno has caused riots in Miami before and she doesn't care. She had an agenda beyond
the safety of this child.

125 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:06:21 PDT by kcvl
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To: piasa

MSNBC just interviewed Sanchez. He said this is like Castro and it is like Reno's tactics. He mentioned Waco, "She's had
experience like this before in Waco."

He said they have asked for a work stoppage to show their feelings and that they will let the people show their emotions but not
violence.

"Violence only helps the evil that came in here."

Fox had pictures of a woman carrying a crying and screaming Elian. She had him in her arms running to a van. He was
wrapped in a blanket in his T-shirt. He was obviously distraught and calling out. She was rushed into a van and the
sliding-tinted door slammed shut. Then the van backed away down the street.

MSNBC showed agents swarming up to the house about 5 AM. They said they knocked and when there was no answer they
"went in." They show about 8 agents rush in the house while the rest stayed outside and fired tear-gas. The crowd was small
and obviously caught off guard. But it is growing now. The community has kept it under contol, even with some who want to
fight. They have stopped and held people back from giving the media photo-ops.

Fox is reporting Elian is being taken to the airport (maybe Opalaka) and will be taken to Washington to be "reunited" with his
father.

The Miami Community is extremely upset. Some overwrought. Mostly in tears.

The Fox reporter, Rita Cosby has been doing a talk-over. There seem to be few reporters in Miami, mostly camera men. She
said they got word about 30 min before there was something going down. Then 15 minutes it was a good bet. And then the
barricades came down and the agents in full riot gear came in with white vans.

She said everyone was under the impression that there was progress in an agreement and were being told they were close to a
deal. She said they didn't think that they would move in on Easter especially since they seemed to be close to an agreement.
But then they moved in and took him.

Rita Cosby is saying many in Wash will not be happy about this.

I think we should call and send another round of letters, FAX's and E-mails. They think they can just do it and now it is over.
What consequences does the Clinton Administration ever pay for their illegal actions?

126 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:06:44 PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: tyen&all

This was a proven demonstration of why the Second Amendment was written. Make note of it.

127 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:07:03 PDT by this_ol_patriot
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To: JudyB1938

I suspect after they get through "conditioning" him, he may never remember anything about his experience. I pray that I'm
wrong.

They're interviewing Jack Thompson right now. He doesn't pull any punches about what he thinks of Reno.

128 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:07:15 PDT by MouthOfSouth
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To: kcvl

just like Nazi Germany...kids hiding from the thugs and pulled away in the middle of the night.

129 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:08:05 PDT by kattracks
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To: Ronin

These aren't LA gang blacks. They are conservative citizens, who are perhaps feeling verry libertarian right now. I doubt there
will be much random violence. The sweetest revenge will be long in the coming. But it will come.

130 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:08:43 PDT by piasa
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To: this_ol_patriot

And don't let them say it can't happen in America, it can.

131 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:09:09 PDT by this_ol_patriot
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To: MouthOfSouth

Jack Thompson is crying on the phone with Fox. He is honestly hurting. He said he has a little seven year old child and his heart
is breaking.

132 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:09:23 PDT by kcvl
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To: D-fendr
 

 Elian taken from his Miami home by the federales in an 3:00 a.m.
 raid by 30 to 40 heavily armed, masked, tear gas spewing INS and
 Border Patrol agents who stormed the house. An emotional ex
 FReeper, Attorney Jack Thomspon, now on the phone with Fox
 News trying to explain Janet Reno's actions.
 

133 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:10:22 PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Everyone

Isn't it a damn pity we can't kidnap Chelsea, Gore's kids and grandkids, Greg Craig's kids, etc. in the middle of the damn night
to return the f*cking favor. God, I am SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ANGRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My hate for all things Clinton overflows!

134 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:10:32 PDT by jigsaw (CLINTON YOU BASTARD!!!!!!!!)
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To: kattracks

I am so angry about this I can barely write - the CNN International reporter has a half-smile on his face which I wish I could
punch in. God, I hope the Cuban Americans raise a tornado of protest that will swallow up Clinton and Reno.

It is time to pray for Elian, and scream in protest till the evil fall.

Best Regards, Ivan

135 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:11:11 PDT by MadIvan
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To: kattracks

I'm gonna start a new thread.

136 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:11:33 PDT by Senator Pardek
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To: Professional

The responsibility of this lies upon Clinton, but also upon Lott since, if he had not been so quick to end the impeachment trial it
is unlikely that Clinton would have been in a position to order this.

137 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:11:50 PDT by Tree of Liberty
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To: kattracks

New thread - Breaking FEDS Have Taken Elian

138 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:12:39 PDT by Senator Pardek
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To: kattracks

Police wearing black mask and in the night! WOW just like the KGB, What has this country come to...

139 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:13:01 PDT by Patriot
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To: piasa

Stock up on guns and NEVER let go. I will NOT give mine up.

Rita Cosby says he has left from Miami airport. He will be arriving at nine o'clock in DC. Anyone want to protest?

The man that rescued him from the sea says he heard Elian screaming and he says, "agents said give me the boy or I'll shoot
you!" He couldn't rescue him AGAIN! He was taken by surprise. I hate these people!!!

140 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:13:31 PDT by kcvl
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To: MadIvan

One of the fishermen who saved Elian just told Fox News that the agents busted into the home and demanded Elian or they
would shoot.

141 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:13:35 PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson

Anybody who says our current military won't turn on its citizens if ordered to do so only has to look at those pictures.

142 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:14:02 PDT by JudyB1938
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To: Senator Pardek

Thanks I was just thinking of doing it but i don't think I would have been able to. I;m shaking like a leaf.

143 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:14:08 PDT by kattracks
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To: Justa, Jeff Head

Foxnews reporting just now that elian will arrive at some Wash airport (national?) around 9 am to be
reunited w/father. SCUZ cowardly father, Joan Campbell, all those who "care" in Washington reno, don't
even make a closer destination to make for a short trip for elian. HOURS from now -- HOURS from
now, reunited. what til then?and what will happen after, when Cuban diplomatic soil may be reached? another "oops" for
reno et al?

144 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:14:10 PDT by cynic#456,789
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To: kattracks

I am so angry and outraged - Clinton is a Communist. No doubt at all. I had an awful thought they would do this and it is
terrible.

145 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:14:16 PDT by Firebeer
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Fisherman who saved Elian and was in the house when they hit:: "They were on the phone with Reno… they came in with
guns… the boy was screaming… they threw a blanket over the boy, while the family watched with guns on them… what the
Clinton did here is like Tiennamen Square… what they did tonight was criminal… it's heartbreaking… I love America, but Bill
Clinton what you did to this family!"

146 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:14:53 PDT by D-fendr
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To: piasa

Fox doesn't seem to be editing it so far. They just spoke with Dalrimple (sp?) and he said that they were pointing guns at them
and said "Give us the boy or we'll shoot you." I'm recording it anyway just in the event they do start changing things. Should
have thought of that the moment they kicked the door in, but hadn't had enough coffee to have my brain in gear, plus I was so
saddened to see Elian screaming as he was being dragged out and put into the van.

147 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:15:26 PDT by MouthOfSouth
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To: Tree of Liberty

No kidding. I'm watching CNN right now and people are ($?@ off! And on Easter Sunday no less!!!

Easter Saturday.

148 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:16:07 PDT by aruanan
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To: jigsaw

"Isn't it a damn pity we can't kidnap Chelsea, Gore's kids and grandkids, Greg Craig's kids, etc. in the middle of the
damn night"

Can't happen! We, the taxpayer's, are paying to have them GUARDED from the evil people! You know, US!

149 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:16:26 PDT by kcvl
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To: kattracks

Apparently, when the INS and Border Patrol vans arrived in the neighborhood, the Miami police withdrew from the area and
remained absent. Fox News and CNN both had camera crews on scene, but didn't see it coming. "Noticed" after the fact, "the
barricades were being removed", but thought it was Miami PD doing something routine.

The strike was so quick, cameras didn't go on (from what I can tell) until the entry team was coming OUT with the boy.

An interesting note that may or may not have affected the decision to go on this was the arrival of Jesse Jackson. Fox News
said he was trying to become "the mediator" between the two sides.

150 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:16:35 PDT by TexMex
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To: kattracks

I have just seen one of the fishermen who rescued Elian and the other survivors scream into a camera that he loves America,
and would never burn the flag, but that what Bill Clinton and Reno had done was wrong because the family had gone through
the judicial system and were still treated unfairly.

151 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:16:58 PDT by L.N. Smithee
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To: Jim Robinson

Red China is Castro's biggest supporter. MFN for the Chi-Coms has to be stopped. Stick it to Clinton and Castro STOP
MFN for Castro's friends.

152 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:17:13 PDT by tschatski
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To: Rebel and a Patriot

"If a single American had been there with a "musket" in hand, that would have given Reno's fascist stormtroopers the green light
to open fire on the crowd."

Unfortunately, I don't think anything less will get America off its sofas.

"If there is not a riot, and they do not burn Miami to hell, then this will not carry the news for even a day."

Yup.

"On the other hand, if hell does break loose, and there are deaths, the media will in lockstep blame "right-wing-extremist"
Cuban-American's for the carnage.

The very first thing that must happen is that those who would restore the Constitution must seize the communications media.

"If you're going to start a war, you don't do it as a "single American" with a "musket" in hand."

I am aware of that. Please don't be Forrest Gump literal. "Not a single" does not mean that you wanted a single, but that not
even one of the hoped-for multitudes materialized.

"You do en-mass, with a million Americans, and you march on Washington peacefully, close this nation down, and wake up the
sheeple to the fact that their liberty is at stake."

Sorry, but things are far past the point at which that could be effective. As you point out above, unless the marchers seize the
comms media, it will get spun into nonsense. Seizing and holding the comms media will require arms.

"If that fails, then the Constitution is indeed toilet paper, and it's time to use the guns."

You yourself immediately perceived that it must fail because the comms media will propagandize the sheeple into compliance.

"One man with a gun is a terrorist."

To the Xlintonoid comms media, yes.

"A million Americans with or without guns are an Army that cannot be denied."

A million Americans without guns are just a million occupants for body bags or Gulags.

153 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:17:50 PDT by dsc
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To: Rebel and a Patriot

"I turned Fox off. Just another bunch of news-leftists."

You got that right. I said it from the very start.

154 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:18:01 PDT by Landru
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To: MouthOfSouth

He'll remember it, alright. It will be the central feature of his reconditioning, like when in Cuba, the teacher asks the children to
pray for God to give them candy, but when they open their eyes, there is none. They then tell the children, to pray to Castro for
candy, and when they open their eyes there is candy. In this case they will say, see? America cannot help you. We took you
like a ripened plum. America betrayed you. They are cowards. No matter where you go, Castro will always watch you. You
must be loyal, and obedient. Castro can find you anywhere on earth.

155 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:18:06 PDT by piasa
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One slight ray of hope: CBS newscaster:"No matter how you feel about this, you look at these pictures and your heart breaks."

This from a mediareader; maybe, maybe, when this is seen…

156 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:18:38 PDT by D-fendr
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To: kcvl

Yes, I'm listening. There have been times in the past when I didn't have much respect for Jack, but I honestly feel he is sincere
in what he's saying and the emotion he's displaying.

157 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:18:44 PDT by MouthOfSouth
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To: kcvl

I have seen pics of the Mom of Elian and this woman who took the boy, she resembles her, similar features and hairstyle. The
Feds probably did not forget to use as much psycho-influence as well as the physical extraction.

The "dr." and dad's phony plea thurs. to the American People were to make this event palatable!

158 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:19:05 PDT by Pray4USA
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To: FrdmLvr

The fugitive slave law analogy is apt, and quite powerful. Clinton again shows he is a thug.

159 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:20:18 PDT by Steve Schulin
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To: piasa

NBC just cut off a interview with mayor Carollo (sp) because he was being very critical of Reno/Clinton. So they just cut right
in and went to the newsroom.

these people are pure shit and they are lying lying lying!!

160 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:20:20 PDT by Bullish
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To: D-fendr

D-fendr, you know the american people, "he ought to be back with his father" syndrome, and know nothing about what is going
to happen to the boy in Cuba. This is a sad day in the history of our nation and the news media will be all over the place
praising this administration.

161 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:21:16 PDT by gulfcoast6
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Miami Mayor: "Shameful… no reason for this… what they did was a crime… I know what they are going to say, but tell the
country, these people are atheists… I received no information before this… I feel I cannnot trust our government… they were
negotiating… there is no need for this… this is not a military camp… this is a dark day in the United States… the President
needs to tell us what guarantees that they are not going to take this boy out of America… if we win in the courts, then is he
going to do the same thing to get him from the Cubans…"

Excellent job, mayor, please keep it up!

162 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:21:28 PDT by D-fendr
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To: The Wizard

Why not Chappaqua? Take it home to roost. I wonder how long it will take to clean him up for display?

163 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:22:06 PDT by piasa
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To: The Wizard

Why not Chappaqua? Take it home to roost. I wonder how long it will take to clean him up for display?

164 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:22:13 PDT by piasa
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To: kattracks

Pay attention to what Mayor Joe Carollo says.

He is saying some of things we have. That the boy was snatched by atheists and that the Cuban Interests Section never waived
diplomatic immunity for their building where Juan Miguel is staying.

The family was on the telephone with Wash DC trying to reach an agreement with Reno et, al. when the raid was made. The
negotiations were obviously a bleeping ruse.

165 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:22:15 PDT by dennisw
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To: L.N. Smithee

Anyone want to take odds on whether Al Gore takes Florida next November. I mean, after all, he DID state his diagreement
with the Clinton/Reno policy towards sending this boy back to Castro's gulags.

Give him a break, Gore had nothing to do with this. I'll bet we see a new's conference tomorrow of Gore with a tear welling up
in his eye, saying how unfortunate this all was, but then saying he's seen this little boy united with his father, and now Gore sees
how "correct" this decision was.....

So, now, who will make book on Florida for Gore in November?? (My kids need a college fund; I'll make a killing on this
one.)

166 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:22:50 PDT by Rebel and a Patriot
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To: All:

Did CBS break this story? Bet the WH made a deal with them. Just yesterday CBS came in last in ratings, didn't they? What
will they do for the WH on the Next Coverup?

167 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:23:00 PDT by Pray4USA
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Rita Cosby said they had been told when Janet Reno came into work at 5 AM that she would be giving a news conf. So they
waited and waited and then they got word they had moved on the house to take Elian.

Donoto Darymple was in the house. He just spoke on camera saying they were sleeping and he heard Elain screaming and he
ran to his room and there was all kinds of commotion and the agents had their guns drawn.

Jack Thompson just said to Rita that Janet Reno had the court order, that handed her her head, and that she has ignored it. He
said no Democrat will win any federal elected office in Fla for the next 30 years. He suggested this will be true too, in part, in
Texas and other states where this will be remembered.

I found it appalling yesterday when they kept reporting that Juan Miguel told Janet Reno that she must "keep her promise.
Now I would like to know, what gives her the right to GIVE and KEEP HER PROMISE to a Communist dictator and defy
American rule of law?

168 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:23:12 PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: kattracks

AP is already putting out some good photos with rifles being pointed at the family

169 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:24:04 PDT by dennisw
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To: gulfcoast6

I know, but Americans have surprised me before. I have hope.

170 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:24:31 PDT by D-fendr
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To: all

Fed marshal with automatic at Elian (AP photo)!

171 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:25:10 PDT by LEB
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To: kattracks

There was a pic on MSNBC of thug with rifle pointed at Elian being held in Donato's arms. Did anyone catch that on video to
post here? (In case it conveniently disappears from public view not to be seen again!) YES, rifle right in the faces of them both!
What a terror for that child! God help us and him.

172 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:26:11 PDT by Makerdoit2
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To: D-fendr

Miami Mayor: "Shameful… no reason for this… what they did was a crime… I know what they are going to say,
but tell the country, these people are atheists… I received no information before this… I feel I cannnot trust our
government… they were negotiating… there is no need for this… this is not a military camp… this is a dark day in
the United States… the President needs to tell us what guarantees that they are not going to take this boy out of
America… if we win in the courts, then is he going to do the same thing to get him from the Cubans…"
 
 
 
 

That's just what I heard.
Look for good photos out tomorrow of guns being pointed at family and Elian
 
 
 
 
 
 

173 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:27:14 PDT by dennisw
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To: dennisw

Could you post them, please?

174 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:27:46 PDT by Tree of Liberty
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To: dennisw

If the GOP House has any guts at all, if they want to win another election:

IMPEACH JANET RENO!!

Win, lose, or draw, they at least need to make the effort. They can get Clinton (again) after Reno.

175 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:27:52 PDT by Rebel and a Patriot
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CBS with mayor again:

"This is a plain home of a patriotic family, men women and children, they went in like it was a military camp; there is no need for
this; this is a shameful act… what guarantee that the thugs will not take him to Cuba… this is so shameful; this is not Cuba, this
is America… I was not notified… I have asked the City Mgr. to answer whether we were notified…"

176 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:28:46 PDT by D-fendr
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To: kattracks

IS ANYONE WATCHING AND LISTENING TO FOX NEW? Whoever this person is being interviewed is really good!
He is putting it on theis administration big time. Don't watch the Clinton(s) media stations, switch to FOX as they have it all.

177 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:30:08 PDT by gulfcoast6
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Witness: "We were attacked… at least in Waco they had guns, this was unprovoked… "

178 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:30:18 PDT by D-fendr
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To: razorback-bert

You know that if the kid had been black, this would not have happened! Too large of a black voting block, and rioting block.

179 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:30:47 PDT by Chapita
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To: piasa

I didn't mean that, massa Clinton. Please don' whup us poor slave folk. We's pay our taxes nex' year. Please...

I guess that if they do elect to go to court (highly doubtful) by that time the Cuban thugs in the Cuban embassy will have
'treated' him enough so that he can tell the judge how he wants to go back to his reeducation school and away from this horrible
country.

Perhaps suitable revenge would be to lay into all those people (Like you Governor Ryan of Illinois) and ensure that Clinton and
his buttkissers never get to normalize relations with Cuba. Anything to destroy Clinton's legacy. And as for the media, time to
hit their underwriters and advertisers. And yes, stock up on ammo. We'll need it one day.

180 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:31:55 PDT by piasa
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Fisherman: "this was not for the benefit of this boy; it was for the benefit of Castro… I would have handed this boy over, but
what they did to this boy… they took him like a criminal in the night… "

181 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:33:29 PDT by D-fendr
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Fisherman: "this was not for the benefit of this boy; it was for the benefit of Castro… I would have handed this boy over, but
what they did to this boy… they took him like a criminal in the night… "

182 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:33:33 PDT by D-fendr
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Fisherman: "this was not for the benefit of this boy; it was for the benefit of Castro… I would have handed this boy over, but
what they did to this boy… they took him like a criminal in the night… "

183 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:34:01 PDT by D-fendr
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To: Makerdoit2

That photo will not dissapear! It will be up here shortly. Every American should see that photo and realize how close we have
come to a police state under Herr Clinton.

184 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:34:17 PDT by Bullish
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To: dennisw
 
 
 
 

Elian Gonzalez, center, is carried by a goverment official as he's taken from
his Miami relatives home, Saturday, April 21, 2000, in Miami's Little Havana
 neighborhood. (AP Photo/Wilfredo Lee)
- Apr 22 6:20 AM ET
 
 

Taken from Yahoo
http://search.news.yahoo.com/search/news?p=elian&n=10&c=news_photos
 
 
 

185 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:34:45 PDT by dennisw
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To: kattracks

SIEG HEIL - CLINTON - 666

186 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:35:05 PDT by XBob
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Bill and Hillary will atone for this by attending Easter services carrying bibles. Then they will show their compassion for "the
children" by holding an egg roll on the White House front lawn. Of course, Hillary's flight from New York will be paid for by
you and me.

187 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:36:00 PDT by monocle
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To: gulfcoast6

He's the fisherman that found Elian in the Atlantic.

188 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:36:32 PDT by Tree of Liberty
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Fisherman: "this was not for the benefit of this boy; it was for the benefit of Castro… I would have handed this boy over, but
what they did to this boy… they took him like a criminal in the night… I was holding him in my arms trying to protect him from
seeing those guns… I've never seen guns like that… What Bill Clinton… what Reno did in Waco they did it here… Clinton
should pay… he should resign for what he did here tonight… this family is broken apart… the father let them come here with
federal agents… our president and his lawyer Craig and took this boy for Fidel Castro…"

189 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:36:36 PDT by D-fendr
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To: monocle

And Janet Reno will read a story to the children....

Now I gonna' go barf!

190 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:38:32 PDT by Bullish
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
 

 Elian dragged out of his home by heavily armed masked federal
 agents in dead of the night gestapo style raid ordered by President
 Clinton and carried out by Janet Reno. The screaming child was
 violently ripped from the arms of the fisherman who had earlier
 saved Elian from the sea and whisked away in the night. "It's a sad
 day for America!
 

191 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:38:39 PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: kattracks

What a nice way for the world to remember Bill Clinton.

192 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:39:12 PDT by The Raven
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To: ALL

The NRA just got some new members. Post that picture of the dictator's thugs pointing the gun at the boy.

193 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:39:16 PDT by piasa
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To: monocle

re: Easter Egg Roll

Good point. Can you imagine business as ususal at the White House on Sunday, just like nothing happened?

There definitely needs to be a protest there to greet the great Easter-Clinton-bunny!

194 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:40:05 PDT by Rebel and a Patriot
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Fox showing video inside the home, many religious pictures and icons, Jesus in a manager, St. Joseph, huge picture of Jesus
knocked off the wall, statue of BVM knocked over.

Happy Easter. God forgive them.

195 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:41:56 PDT by D-fendr
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To: Tree of Liberty

http://search.news.yahoo.com/search/news?p=elian&n=10&c=news_photos

GOOD THUMBNAIL PHOTOS HERE.
CLICK TO LARGER IMAGE

2, 2000, in Miami. (AP Photo/Alan Diaz, POOL)
                   - Apr 22 6:30 AM ET

                   Marisleysis Gonzalez, center, reacts with her father, Lazaro Gonzalez as government officials entered
                   their home to remove her cousin, Elian Gonzalez, from her home early Saturday morning, April 22,
                   2000, in Miami. Other people are unidentified. (AP Photo/Alan Diaz, POOL)
                   - Apr 22 6:30 AM ET

                   Elian Gonzalez, center, is removed from his home in a predawn raid by goverment officials,
                   Saturday, April 22, 2000, in Miami's Little Havana neighborhood. (AP Photo/Wilfredo Lee)
                   - Apr 22 6:25 AM ET

                   Marisleysis Gonzalez, center, reacts as government officials removed her cousin, Elian Gonzalez,
                   from her home early Saturday morning, April 22, 2000, in Miami. The other people are unidentified.
                   (AP Photo/Alan Diaz, POOL)
                   - Apr 22 6:25 AM ET

                   Elian Gonzalez, center, is carried by a goverment official as he's taken from his Miami relatives
                   home, Saturday, April 21, 2000, in Miami's Little Havana neighborhood. (AP Photo/Wilfredo Lee)
                   - Apr 22 6:20 AM ET

                   Alina Ramos of Miami holds a statue of the Virgin Mary as she snacks on
 

196 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:42:20 PDT by dennisw
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To: monocle

Fox just showed Elian's room. His bedroom door was broken down and snapped in two, a statue of Virgin Mary knocked
over and on the floor a picture of Jesus Christ knocked off the wall and in the corner.

Happy Easter.

197 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:42:30 PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Rebel and a Patriot

IMPEACH JANET RENO? THIS SPINELESS BUNCH IN CONGRESS CAN NOT FIND THEIR A-- WITH BOTH
HANDS. NO WAY WOULD THEY SHOW THE GUTS TO IMPEACH HER. HELL, THIS IS JUST ONE MORE
CHARGE THAT SHE WILL GET BY WITH. SHAME AT ITS HIGHEST PEAK. Sorry about the caps but needless to
say, I'm like so many of you, upset and just shattered by all of this. In this Nation? Just how low the Clintons, AL GORE, AND
ALL OF THE DEMOCTRACTS, along with the republicracts, have brought this coutry to is simply unbeleivable. I just sent a
email to CNN and told them they should be so very proud of themselves and to start their spin as we know they will do.

198 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:43:44 PDT by gulfcoast6
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To: kattracks
 
 

KLINTON, I hope and pray that justice will finally come crashing down on you (and soon), you are a communist dictator,
AND traitor. Shame on you for even considering your self a human being. Now that you've destroyed freedom in this country
and ELIAN is going back to Cuba illegally, we can now focus on your re-impeachment and finally removal from office, MAY
YOU ROT IN HELL!!!!!!

199 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:44:49 PDT by NyteFlyte
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To: kattracks

Who do I write to? I am VERY unhappy about this!!! I can't belive this is happening in the US!! I live in NY I would tell clinton
what I think about him, but I don't want the CIA at my front Door.

200 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:45:39 PDT by Lhofmann (lhofmann@ascotcom.com)
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To: kattracks

Fox reporting "unnamed officials" said they gave Elian a physical at the airport and that a flight surgeon is on the plane with Elian
along with the woman who ran out of the house with him.

They say he has been given play-dough and a map and they are explaining things to him.

Fox said Janet Reno may be giving a statement at the top of the hour.

201 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:46:01 PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: monocle

Wouldn't it touching if bill and hill invited the newly reunited family over for Easter dinner. Just to celebrate family values and all.

202 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:46:14 PDT by Brad C.
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To: dennisw

Thank you.

203 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:46:14 PDT by Tree of Liberty
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To: kattracks
 
 

204 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:47:48 PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker
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To: dennisw

If the Republicans are really intent on regaining the White House, they would use these pictures with the caption "Gore : Four
More Years of This".

205 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:48:11 PDT by monocle
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NBC: Family agreed to live together with father and child in a nuetral location. Father agreed but only for a limited time.
Negotiations went on, DOJ says "no movement" and that while the "phone lines were still on" (what Clintonspeak) negotiations
were not hopeful and they went in.

The Japanese in WWII had nothing on these guys.

206 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:48:17 PDT by D-fendr
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To: kattracks

Who do I write to? I am VERY unhappy about this!!! I can't belive this is happening in the US!! I live in NY I would tell clinton
what I think about him, but I don't want the CIA at my front Door.

207 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:48:42 PDT by Lhofmann (lhofmann@ascotcom.com)
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To: Rebel and a Patriot

I hope to God the Cuban-Americans don't riot; instead, I hope to God each and every organizes, in secret, and commits
themselves unto Justice upon the offices of the INS/DOJ/AG.

The sheeple will do nothing, but it's time many Freepers & other Republicans (capital "R") begin organizing, arming, training, &
else.

TBF

208 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:51:21 PDT by Far Gone (fargone@fargonebooks.com)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Clinton and Reno are consistent. They always do the opposite of what I would do ( or the average person in the phone book).

According to law this fiasco is correct?

Depends on how you define IS, Mr. Clinton.

209 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:51:32 PDT by The Raven
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

My God! That's the picture, Dan. I can't believe that! How could they?

That is the picture that America needs to see.

210 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:51:43 PDT by D-fendr
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

There is going to be hell to pay for that photo.

211 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:51:55 PDT by DB
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Fox just showed a still shot of a man pointing an assault rifle right at Elian and Donoto faces, as his other arm pulls open the
door of the closet they had gone to for cover.

The look on Elian's face is unbelievable. The fear is unbelieveable.

212 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:52:06 PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: kattracks
 
 

Best photos on this thread. Including the gun picture.

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a39017f2f18a4.htm
 
 

213 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:53:44 PDT by dennisw
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To: Rebel and a Patriot

At the same time, HOW STOOPID the Miami-area Cuban-Americans were for falling asleep at the wheel. Reno all but gave
them notice that Elian was about to be seized, and from what I read, there were less than 300 people around the Gonzales
home when this raid occured, and NO ONE was bearing arms.

Duh.

TBF

214 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:54:15 PDT by Far Gone (fargone@fargonebooks.com)
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To: Lhofmann

I live in NY I would tell clinton what I think about him, but I don't want the CIA at my front Door

If you're afraid of the CIA, then write to Jesus. I've been E-mailing writing and calling everyone I can think of since before
impeachment and I haven't had any knocks on my door yet. Its time for everyone to show some guts, in fact, its way past time.

215 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:54:36 PDT by Bullish
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

There was media in the house, and they did photograph it. It is documented. This is the best news in this sad sad day.

216 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:55:12 PDT by D-fendr
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To: kattracks

Remember, this raid was carried out WHILE the family was still negotiating on the phone with the Feds. Talk about
BETRAYAL!

217 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:55:43 PDT by PJ-Comix
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To: Far Gone

Ya, pulling a gun would have made everything better...

218 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:57:26 PDT by DB
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To: All

No one died in the raid. I hope the same can be said for the riots that follow. Maybe it’ll just be an excuse to vent steam and
steal a few TV sets.

219 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:57:26 PDT by R. Scott
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
 

Butch Reno's heavily armed elite SSS stormtroopers "save" terrified Elian from relatives in Miami after receiving direct order
from President Bill Clinton. "Give me that kid or I'll shoot!"

220 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:58:31 PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Far Gone

All the news I heard from the DOJ was to expect that Elian would be taken sometime in the middle of next week, NOT on
Easter weekend for God's sake!

This was class A cowardice!

221 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:58:44 PDT by Bullish
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To: Jim Robinson

             CLICK

222 Posted on 04/22/2000 03:59:37 PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: R. Scott

Any GOP House or Senate member who cooperates with Clinton/Reno on anything else, any little thing, from now till the end
of the Traitors' terms, should beget NOT ONE VOTE AMONG US HERE AT FR.

If you vote for a Clinton-compliant RINO you are guilty of treason as well.

TBF

223 Posted on 04/22/2000 04:02:24 PDT by Far Gone (fargone@fargonebooks.com)
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To: kcvl

With all that trauma, and this child's tears, how could this woman holding him smile ? Even if her job was accomplished, just
how can anyone take great pleasure and smile at a time like that ?

224 Posted on 04/22/2000 04:06:50 PDT by DreamWeaver
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To: dennisw

Moments before this shot, you can see a woman being thrown down on the front porch to make way for the kidnappers.

225 Posted on 04/22/2000 04:08:14 PDT by DB
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

I just sent Drudge the photo you posted. Hopefully he will post it.

226 Posted on 04/22/2000 04:12:00 PDT by DB
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To: DB

The more I think of it, the more I can't understand why the Gonzalez family weren't sitting very well armed in their own house.
Were I that fisherman in the closet with Elian, I wd've shot that INS agent in the face, & asked questions later.

227 Posted on 04/22/2000 04:16:01 PDT by Far Gone (fargone@fargonebooks.com)
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To: ruledbytraitorsand fools

How did these monstrous, vicious , evil traitors become so powerful?

A lot of people voted third party allowing Clinton to win Twice, and a lot of folks refused to vote at all. If Gore wins we can
expect more of the same.

PLEASE, do not vote for a third party candidate!!!!! We will loose America totally.

228 Posted on 04/22/2000 04:17:48 PDT by Yellow Rose of Texas
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To: Tree of Liberty
 
 

229 Posted on 04/22/2000 04:21:38 PDT by luigi
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To: Jim Robinson

One of the "Dobermans"!

230 Posted on 04/22/2000 04:23:59 PDT by Chapita
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To: Yellow Rose of Texas

Urgent Plan to Save Elian From the Troops!
John LeBoutillier
Friday April 21, 2000
NewsMax

                                               snip

There is no way Clinton and Reno would dare bust through that circle of devout, praying Americans, knock down the
doors of a Catholic church, plow over nuns and priests and drag the boy out kicking and screaming ?all on live TV!

                                               ***
Sorry, former Congressman LeBoutillier, you lose. You just lost my readership, you don't know a THING about Tyranny.
F*ck off.

TBF

231 Posted on 04/22/2000 04:24:15 PDT by Far Gone (fargone@fargonebooks.com)
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To: Professional

I just came back from hoisting the colors. My flag waves smartly here in St. Augustine....inverted!!!

The klintoon/rhino jack-booted thugs strike again.

When will this dumbed-down country wake up???

232 Posted on 04/22/2000 04:26:56 PDT by Mustang (NamVetBZ@aol.com)
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To: Professional

I just came back from hoisting the colors. My flag waves smartly here in St. Augustine....inverted!!!

The klintoon/rhino jack-booted thugs strike again.

When will this dumbed-down country wake up???

233 Posted on 04/22/2000 04:27:39 PDT by Mustang (NamVetBZ@aol.com)
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To: kattracks

I think first we all start lobbying congress to impeach Reno. Then we need to be asking Jeb Bush where's he been when citizens
of his state were illegally attcked by federal thugs. This cr** crosses the aisle both ways and the Republocrats all need to be
hearing about it.

234 Posted on 04/22/2000 04:28:31 PDT by mo
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To: kattracks

Words cannot express my disgust, nor the contempt in which I hold the Clinton administration. Perhaps this is how abolitionists
felt around the time of the Dred Scott decision.

235 Posted on 04/22/2000 04:28:39 PDT by jejones
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To: Mustang

Q: "When will this dumbed-down country wake up?"

A: The moment enough good people are willing to lay down there lives to defend a travesty like this, and not a moment before.

236 Posted on 04/22/2000 04:28:50 PDT by Far Gone (fargone@fargonebooks.com)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Fox just showed Elian's room. His bedroom door was broken down and snapped in two, a statue of Virgin Mary
knocked over and on the floor a picture of Jesus Christ knocked off the wall and in the corner.

Happy Easter.

May Jesus and Elian stand together on the Judgement Day! God bless Elian.

237 Posted on 04/22/2000 04:29:39 PDT by Scot-free
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Marisleysis Gonzales:

"Clinton already dishonored his family; now he has dishonored mine."

238 Posted on 04/22/2000 05:22:32 PDT by D-fendr
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To: D-fendr

Police just made one arrest now demonstrators are stopping traffic on a highway.

239 Posted on 04/22/2000 05:32:33 PDT by tschatski
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To: tschatski

Police pulled out of Little Havana. Trying to keep demonstrations contained in little Havana.

240 Posted on 04/22/2000 05:36:55 PDT by tschatski
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To: The Wizard

strongly disagree. Riot only hurts, NOTHING to heal. but this should make us look locally -- people here are ignorant, racist
against Cuban exiles, as national media have demonized and told lies about the "rich", and how the "lower class" in cuba is
doing better in Cuba. LIES told, LIES believed -- must challenge/change libs ability to do that in coming election, nationaly and
locally. The bigger picture.

241 Posted on 04/22/2000 05:47:31 PDT by cynic#456,789
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To: Senator Pardek

I did that, that's when I started crying. Still shaking, numb, very tired. that's why I started prayer thread, if I feel thsi way, is
excrutiating pain for miami.

242 Posted on 04/22/2000 05:49:12 PDT by cynic#456,789
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To: Far Gone

"If you vote for a Clinton-compliant RINO you are guilty of treason as well."

There is no way I will vote for Al Clinton/Gore, and it’s very doubtful if I’ll be voting for any incumbents.
 
 

Hi! I’m from the government, and I’m here to help you.

243 Posted on 04/22/2000 06:14:02 PDT by R. Scott
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To: kattracks

It's admirable that the family and their supporters showed such restraint and did not react violently. However, this clearly shows
why we have the second amendment, to allow us to protect ourselves from police state goons.

244 Posted on 04/22/2000 07:06:05 PDT by Bill S
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To: R. Scott

BUMS PIMPS ASSHOLES, is anybody going to be downtown DC today, I'm on my way. What crap. I called my
congressman, senator, NO ANSWERS IN DC. Must be away for a holiday or did they know this was going to happen and
conveniently got out of town. I am so angry, it's hard to watch this stuff and think you are in the United States of America. It is
so sad. Clinton, Reno the Rhino, Craig and the rest ought to go to jail. Gore, your toast.

245 Posted on 04/22/2000 07:15:18 PDT by pattycake
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To: kattracks

                                 LOOK AT THIS FACE
 
 

                                  IT IS THE FACE OF

                                           EVIL
 
 

                              THUGESS RENO'S

                JACK BOOTED THUGS AT WORK

246 Posted on 04/22/2000 07:18:42 PDT by Leo the Lion
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To: kattracks

Hitler and his Gestapo unit would be proud of the behavior of Janet Reno and her thugs. Today the federal government gave a
new meaning to the word 'fascist'. Maybe these pictures will wake you up, America.

247 Posted on 04/22/2000 07:40:25 PDT by Tasha
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To: kattracks

To contribute your idea for a mobile billboard that will follow Clinton, please go HERE

248 Posted on 04/22/2000 07:44:17 PDT by Captain America
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To: kattracks

Powerful picture.

When the rule of law is but a vacuum, tyrants will fill the void.

5.56mm

249 Posted on 04/22/2000 07:52:11 PDT by M Kehoe
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To: kattracks

Mark Davis, radio pig in Dallas TX, I hope that you are really pleased with yourself now!!!

250 Posted on 04/22/2000 07:56:37 PDT by Slyfox
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To: Slyfox, blood of tyrants, ALL

Does anyone know Greg Craig's middle initial? I think I have his law firm's address. Please reply quickly.

251 Posted on 04/22/2000 08:05:58 PDT by davide
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To: kattracks

It is time for us to riot. It really is.

252 Posted on 04/22/2000 08:27:58 PDT by RaceBannon
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To: kattracks

It is time for us to riot. It really is.

253 Posted on 04/22/2000 08:29:01 PDT by RaceBannon
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To: kattracks

It is time for us to riot. It really is.

254 Posted on 04/22/2000 08:29:03 PDT by RaceBannon
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To: kattracks

I would LIKE FOR this copy of my responsive post to our very actively involved member of FR on all themes which I put on a
Dr Carl "father wins, the rule of law has been upheld" type post today.

Please copy this in its entirety and post to all Elian related posts today.

To: sinkspur

Perhaps we do defy the premise of reasonable discussion here. Jim, in his great courtesy gave us the present of
FreeRepublic.com. We must tolerate those who forget the singular moral premise that guards Freedom.

You who claim some spark of some unspoken superior law, other than those that govern the premise of true Right
and true Justice ... You who jump in here to rub the noses of the rest of us in your particular unbendable thoughts
of Justice and some bogus RULE OF LAW, and even by implication, defend the actions of this government ... You
are in the service a different master ... You may never be banned under the rules of FreeRepublic, but I hope that
the true interest of Moral Justice and the people who believe that those Foundational Principles have been
crushed today ... will shun all of you ... and let any "conversation" with you end, on all issues, in entirety, from
today on.

115 Posted on 04/22/2000 08:03:24 PDT by AKA Elena

255 Posted on 04/22/2000 08:37:32 PDT by AKA Elena
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To: cynic#456,789 and all

The people who have taken Elian now, have not one iota regard for him or his liberty. Elian is a pawn in their globalist game ...
a game that is very similar to the type of games Fidel Castro plays, that Stalin played and that the maoists in China play. Elian's
father is also a pawn in that game and his rights, his family, his desires mean NOTHING. The game is to deny liberty ... at any
and every chance they get. Ultimately, they intend to do it at the point of a gun, as today's events so aptly demonstrate.

The Cuban-Americans, although there can be no doubt that they have an agenda against Fidel and the marxism in their
homeland, are at least on the right side of the liberty issue in this and what ultimately is in the best interest of that boy.

For those who are blinded by a false arguement of "parental rights" (false because there are no parental rights in Cuba for Juan,
he's doing EXACTLY as told ... Castro is the father), and for all those who would side with these tyrants .... mark well your
decision. The picture of little Elian being taken at gunpoint, the picture of the peaceful Cuban-Americans on the ground with
guns to their heads as they peacefully kept vigil ... all of this is a spectre that your attitiudes are inviting on America and will one
day (perhaps soon) lead to far worse ... and when it comes, it will engulf us all. To all such, I say, "Let the chains rest lightly".

Give me Liberty or Give me Death

256 Posted on 04/22/2000 08:38:32 PDT by Jeff Head (jeffhead@bigplanet.com)
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To: D-fendr

The Japanese in WWII had nothing on these guys.

I hate to say "I told you so", and some other Freepers might say so, too, but I precisely said two days ago that they would pull
a "PEARL HARBOR", a classic Sun Tzu tactic, i.e. they would negotiate on the one hand and on the other hand plan and
execute a lightning attack. And by golly, they did it. No surprise.

Folks, you woke up today over there in America to find we are in fact under a state of FASCISM, under State Police control
(under the Biggest Lawbreaker in the history of the US Presidency).

An IMPEACHED US PRESIDENT and his spokesman appeals to the adherence to the Constitution and the "Rule of Law"
while his agents, armed to the teeth, point fully automatic weapons at unarmed, TERRIFIED 6-year-olds.

257 Posted on 04/22/2000 08:41:58 PDT by AmericanInTokyo
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To: dsc

Hey, look, the commies took over this country without an armed invasion. The right ought to be able to take it back!

258 Posted on 04/22/2000 08:43:17 PDT by GregoryFul
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To: RaceBannon

I would normally not agree with you. But, well, what can I say? I hope for peace, but I won't be surprised at something big
going down (listening to the national reporters call the turnout in Little Havana as "nothing big", and yet when Rodney King
supporters turn out, the national and local media in fact fanned the flames and blew it all out of proportion.

259 Posted on 04/22/2000 08:49:01 PDT by AmericanInTokyo
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To: GregoryFul

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE CONTACT: Adama Agurs 310/408-4818 clmcgill1@aol.com http://www.carlmcgill35cd.org

April 22, 2000

Apology of African American Republican Nominee Candidate Carl McGill of 35th Congressional District To Cuban
Americans

(Inglewood, CA)---The assault on the home of Elian Gonzalez' great-uncle, Lazaro Gonzalez in Miami, was deplorable,
immoral, and unethical. This incident is equivalent to the Waco and Ruby Ridge incidents. Taking Elian from his family, crying
and screaming, was inhumane. As a resident of the 35th Congressional District, I apologize for the actions of my
Congresswoman, Maxine Waters, for her participation in the assault of the Gonzalez home and what it has done to the patriotic
confidence of Cuban Americans.

As a member of the United States Congress, Congresswoman Waters violated her oath to the American people by betraying
her Cuban American constituents, and acting as an agent of Fidel Castro. Moreover, she did not have a constituent interest in
the Eilan Gonzalez matter.

As an African American, Carl McGill, the Republican Nominee Candidate of the 35th Congressional District, gives his heart
and love to Elian Gonzalez and the Lazaro Gonzalez family and Little Havana. They and Cuban Americans fled Fidel Castro's
oppressive regime. Therefore, it is unfortunate that Congresswoman Waters and the Clinton Administration allowed American
law enforcement resources to act as agents of Dictator Fidel Casto. Today, for Cuban Americans, the United States of
American has become the United States of Cuba. For Castro is the winner of the Elian Gonzalez matter, and not Americans.
"Today I am ashamed to be an American, for the Clinton Administration's assault on the Lazaro Gonzalez family home," says
Carl McGill, "I and free Cubans will never forget this shameful day in American history."

####

260 Posted on 04/22/2000 08:49:11 PDT by clmcgill1 (clmcgill1@aol.com)
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To: Jim Robinson

What more evidence do you need Jim?

L

261 Posted on 04/22/2000 08:51:10 PDT by Lurker
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To: clmcgill1

Carl McGill, the Republican Nominee Candidate of the 35th Congressional District

Hope you win!

262 Posted on 04/22/2000 08:52:28 PDT by b4its2late
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To: Lurker

Joe Lockhart (White House press secretary):
"Reno did a fine job"
"This was a careful and limited operation"
"She [Reno] has worked tirelessly and patiently"
"Reno has shown patience and COMPASSION[!]"
"I would say all Americans would believe this was the best way"
"The Justice Department has worked with incredible patience"
"What's happened today is a young boy has been reunited with his father"

CBS:
"ABSOLUTELY NO TEAR GAS WAS USED AT THE CROWDS AT LITTLE HAVANA"
"121 INS and BORDER CONTROL AGENTS WERE THERE"
(Once again CBS is showing only the photo of a "smiling" Elian.)

Reno:
"One of the beauties of television is that it shows exactly what happened [referring to the propaganda/smiling Elian photo]"

263 Posted on 04/22/2000 08:53:05 PDT by Drudge's minion
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To: kattracks

The picture of a traumatized six year old boy being seized at gunpoint will go down in history as one of the worst abuses of
power on American soil.

Please tell everyone you know to visit Free Republic today.
The media (tv) is not showing what really happened.

America must know the truth!

264 Posted on 04/22/2000 08:58:54 PDT by wai-ming
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To: All

We tried to be a peaceful society, but it seems that our beloved federal government wishes only a police state where they will
use whatever force they desire for whatever political purpose they desire.

How can we participate in a peaceful society to make the changes we all desire when the federal government uses force to
have their way?

We cannot peacefully make changes when the State governments also stand by idle and allow such "mean-spirited" actions by
the federal government. The State of Florida, the Governor, Jeb Bush, the brother of George W. Bush, did nothing but allow
such actions.  He and the mayor of Miami should have stood in the way of the feds, but they can't because their funding comes
from the  feds using our money plundered through taxes.

HEY JANET WACO! How come there are thousands of children in America from other countries and thousands of American
children in other countries with one parent seeking custody, but you take no aggressive actions to get solve those problems???
Can we all say POLITICAL TYRANT, the long arm of Clinton law!

We MUST stop the tyranny NOW!  Just because such acts have not come to your doorstep doesn't mean that they won't.
Try going against such dictators and watch how fast YOU become the target!

We live in a police State when our actions are controlled by the thought that we might come under attack by these Amy Ranger
wannabees with their automatic weapons, full body armor, and the silly looking black ninja outfits!

Do you really believe that if you became a political target, which is easier than you might think, that these aggressors wouldn't
come to your door?  It happens in America daily.

The President of the United States and his Administration are OUT OF CONTROL!

Our Congress is unable and unwilling to react!

Our Attorney General is a culprit!

Our States are helpless through the extortion of the feds withholding money for cooperation!

Our  military is ordered to perform acts against humanity, acts against the American people, and acts of war against other
nations without the approval of Congress as required by the Constitution!

Our local, State, and federal "law enforcement" officials are all bought with federal money to buy them guns, ammo, and
expensive training with OUR MONEY  through the plundering of OUR EARNINGS!  Local police get money from the feds to
attend such training as sniper, forced entry, and "Close Quarters Combat"! Sounds like a "We are here to help you!" kind of
organization, doesn't it?!  Few police turn down such fun and exciting training and "toys", and few would do anything to
jeopardize the money coming in from the feds.

WE MUST STOP THIS NONSENSE AT ANY AND ALL COST!

265 Posted on 04/22/2000 08:59:42 PDT by DeathAngel
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To: Jim Robinson

Remember the reason for the season! The government came to the garden prayer meeting in the night to take away Jesus for
the crucifixion just like they came for Elian. They also came to Mt Carmel on Sunday Morning, as well. May we have a
resurrection of true American revival after this "BLACK SATURDAY!"

EAGLES UP!

266 Posted on 04/22/2000 09:01:26 PDT by The Eagle (eaglesup@eaglesup.org)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Want to bet that the boy was doped while they were at it?

267 Posted on 04/22/2000 09:04:01 PDT by mware
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To: ALL

Not riot, it's time to SECEDE from the uh... union.

Hubby is hanging out the flag at half-mast. We seriously thought of upside-down as was in the crowd, but then we'd probably
have lots of unwanted visitors.

Castro should be referred to as Castrato from now on.

Oh goody, more Reno nonsense on the tube. I saw a good sign in the crowd "send Chelsea to Castro."

Terriergal

268 Posted on 04/22/2000 09:14:21 PDT by Terriergal
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To: kattracks

Ive been watching since 6:30am and all i can say is this ,Iam scared for my country , my children, my beliefs,and the way of life
liberty and freedom that has been revoked by a crimninal govmt.
Regards to all,Suzyq5558

269 Posted on 04/22/2000 09:15:00 PDT by suzyq5558
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To: dennisw

Happy Birthday, Vladimir Lenin!

270 Posted on 04/22/2000 09:38:03 PDT by Slyfox
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To: Always Right

Lets all just sit around and talk about this some more and ultimately DO NOTHING.  We're really good at doing that....
NOTHING.  We're a bunch of scared sheep who just sit around in front of our little herd computers  while the wolfs are
picking us off one by one.  Bend over and grab your ankles, its only a matter of time before we all get fucked....

271 Posted on 04/22/2000 09:38:23 PDT by jackstraw
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To: kattracks

One hundred 21 ins criminals used a ram break into the house. They surrounded the house and came in through the back and
rammed their way thru the front door. They broke down doors closets anythging in their way to find the kid who was in
donatos arms screaming que pasa, que pasa, help me help me. A crap ins tore him from donatos arms, a lady put a blanke over
his head and they rushed hin out of the house. Litteraly trashed the house. They made everyone in the house lie down with guns
to their heads including a 5 year old being held by his mother in same room elian was being threatened with gun. Or they were
maced inside and outside of the house. Everyone was and is in shock. Armando Gutierrez heard of the scum coming and tried
to get the cubans to rally but they were caught so unaware they could do nothing by the time they could react, ins was macing
them away. The child was taken screaming and kicking by a woman from ins and put in a van. A miami police chief was in the
van that took elian, ostensively so that police officers at the scene would recognize that the sting was good. Whole operation
took little over 3 minutes. There were 30 to 40 cubans behind the barracades they were caught unawares and were pepper
sprayed or maced by the INS to keep them at bay while shit ins rammed their way into the house. The media was also kept
behing barracades and maced.

272 Posted on 04/22/2000 09:59:42 PDT by cutexx
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To: cynic#456,789

Thanks for the head's up, cynic. I can't believe that I turned off computer fifteen minutes before this abomination took place. I
guess God wanted me to have a good night's sleep to handle the pain in my heart. Prayers for Elian and the Gonzalez family.

273 Posted on 04/22/2000 10:07:03 PDT by PoisedWoman
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To: suzyq5558

On this weekend where we celebrate Eternal Life, there is a mother in God's Heaven looking down on the events of today.

We must make certain that this woman did not die in vain.

Shame on Bill Clinton. Shame on Janet Reno. Shame on our nation. This is pure and simple barbarism.

274 Posted on 04/22/2000 10:17:37 PDT by Twins613
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To: kattracks

Looking at that picture, I had an absolutely horrific thought in my mind, and it's been bugging me since I saw it 4 hours ago.

How many of you have seen "Schindler's List"? Or maybe "The Diary of Anne Frank"? Does this not look like something from
those movies?

Santayana was right: "Those who do not remember history are doomed to repeat it!"

A sad day to call oneself an American.

275 Posted on 04/22/2000 10:24:40 PDT by ssaftler
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To: Senator Pardek

Don't you just marvel at the pattern that has emerged of first resort FASCISM by Clinton and his thugs? We had our first
inkling when he offed Vince as a first resort. Then Ron Brown. Then Waco. Then the aspirin factory. (And many other lesser
known displays) Now this.

276 Posted on 04/22/2000 10:28:29 PDT by Samizdat
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To: kattracks

I have no doubt Clinton, Reno, Maxine Waters and the rest will all burn in hell...I just wish we didn't have to wait that long to
see justice prevail.

277 Posted on 04/22/2000 10:39:59 PDT by Ol' Sparky
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To: ssaftler

"Those who do not remember history are doomed to repeat it!"

Last week Microsoft, this week a six-year-old boy and all in the name of the law.

They say Elian "does not have a well grounded fear of persecution".....so he can not apply for asylum.

He will have a well grounded fear now, fear of the U.S. agents who broke down his bedroom door in the dead of night and
took him at gunpoint.

278 Posted on 04/22/2000 10:42:50 PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: A*bert, Howlin' and your comrades

I bet this made your day! Happy now??

279 Posted on 04/22/2000 10:49:07 PDT by Palladin (000)
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To: ALL

I watched all of this on TV this morning.

First, I dislike clinton probably more than many of you, BUT. This is his father, communist or not.

Second, I thought the court ruled Elian should be reunited with his father in the US while we await a decision.

Third, if lazaro was supposed to hand Elian over and didn't isn't that like kidnapping?

Fourth, what would you do if someone like your great uncle or distant cousin had your child in the US and they were supposed
to hand them over to you? Personally, I would want all the firepower I could get to take my son back. As much as I hate to say
it, the boy should be with his father. It just so happens he is a communist. Unfortunately this did give clinton a reason to side
with castro and his thugs.

280 Posted on 04/22/2000 11:17:54 PDT by White Anglo Saxon
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To: kattracks

Pitchfork Puke-anan Brigadges (a.k.a. the "real" conservatives on this forum):
"Yeah, finally the globalists show some GUTS and give them illegals a dose of reality!! GO RENO GO!!!!

281 Posted on 04/22/2000 11:19:10 PDT by BillyBoy
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To: kattracks

This is exactly what it was like for my grandmother's family as the jack-booted Nazi thugs broke into their home and dragged
them away. This is the law under KKKlinton. This is our future, folks...

282 Posted on 04/22/2000 11:23:53 PDT by The Electrician
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To: ALL

The more I read here the more suprised I am. You all talk about the problem with the force used. What do you expect, lazaro
and the whole clan down there kept telling everyone that INS would have to use force to get Elian. Many of you sound like
those touchy feely liberals, always talking about the problem with to much force. Give me a break. Did you want them to
announce they were coming?? I think lazaro has had many many opportunities, they just kept changing their damands. This was
to be difficult I believe. I don't think all that damage was done by INS agents. Some of it looks a little set up to me. Many of
you here talk of family, etc, but Elians father was here, and Elian was not allowed to see him. THIS IS ELIANS DAD, now put
yourself in his place. Wouldn't you want you son back? I think you would. And I think you would even ask clinton to help if it
meant you got your child back.

283 Posted on 04/22/2000 11:28:30 PDT by White Anglo Saxon
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To: Rebel and a Patriot

Commie-stormtroop-bastards... on Good Friday, they showed their true stripes.

It's HOLY SATURDAY, not Good Friday. That's just as bad, if not worse. Lord have mercy upon us here in America!

This looks a lot like the raid in Bosnia a few weeks ago, when NATO storm troopers siezed the Bosnian Serb "war crime"
suspect from his parent's home, in his pajamas, hog-tied him, and shipped him off to Albright's kangaroo court in The Hague.
The man they treated that way had been a negotiator for the Bosnian Serbs during the the Dayton Accords. The rat Holbrooke,
who had sat across the the negotiating table form this man, gloated to the press about the arrest. To make matters worse, the
"suspect" had been seized after a SECRET "indictment".

Holbrooke and the whole rest of the clinton gang are treasonous double-dealers with not a speck of honor among the whole lot
of them. And now clinton has brought the same storm-trooper tactics HOME to the USA! They used the SAME
storm-trooper/police state methods in dealing with the anti-IMF protesters in DC earlier this past week, too!

I have deliberately kept from following the whole Elian story, or commenting on it before this time--I think that it is the "circus
of the year", like OJ or Monica. But whatever the legal, family, and other considerations that go into deciding the case,
"deciding" it by STORM TROOPER tactics is WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!!! And the use of these tactics by our
government seems to be increasing lately.

284 Posted on 04/22/2000 11:47:37 PDT by Honorary Serb
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To: kattracks

Is there anyone who still doubts the time has come to cast your next vote with your trigger finger???

285 Posted on 04/22/2000 11:56:00 PDT by kimosabe31
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To: kimosabe31

What are we going to do now?

286 Posted on 04/22/2000 12:19:24 PDT by dware
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To: Rebel and a Patriot

I couldn't agree more. A million heavily armed men marching on DC to straighten out the federal oppressors.

287 Posted on 04/22/2000 12:24:41 PDT by troggy
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To: JudyB1938

Yes and the police have already turned on us. The Federal Police, ATF, INS and all have sold their souls to the devil for
money and POWER.

The military is training them and they are training the military, in THIS country, on urban control. The writing is on the wall, but
so many can not read it as that kind of knowledge was removed from the government run schools long ago.

May God help us all!!!

If we loose the Second Amendment we will loose it all!

My heart is hurting for my country!

A right-wing conspiracy is not near as dangerous as a government conspiracy.

288 Posted on 04/22/2000 12:27:42 PDT by NSpiritOnly
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To: kattracks

They took him at 5:15 after talks had broken down.

Not according to the family's lawyer. They hed just faxed back the agreement agreeing to the regime's conditions for a meeting.
Klintoon and Reno couldn't have a peaceful resolutinn, so they had to go in after the family agreed to the conditions.

They're probably disappointed that there hasn't been bloodshed. It's OK, though. I'm sure they can create some.

This raid is illegal. Lazaro and the family have broken no law. There is apparently no search warrant, or they would have
produced it by now. Even if there was, it's illegal to serve it in the middle of the night.

They came in with gas masks on and their guns drawn, pointed the gun at Elian (which they denied, as if the photo wasn't proof
enough), gassed the demonstrators with tear gas, and according to NewsMax (www.newsmax.com), pointed guns at the
demonstrators' heads and said "Give us the kid or we will kill you."

Then they dragged the kid out kicking and screaming and threw him into a van, loaded him into a plane, and secretively flew
him to Andrews Air Force Base outside Washington, where they are holding him and the family. They said he was "happily"
playing with Pla-Do on the plane and they released a picture taken by the evil Greg Craig showing the whole family smiling
together. I wonder how much Ritalin they have pumped into the kid.

The media cannot see the family and they are all being kept there for "at least a couple of days." Isn't this kid supposed to be in
school?

These are the tactics of totalitarian police states. They proved this morning what many of us have said about them for 8 years:
Stalin=Hitler=Castro=Klintoon. The President of the United States is an anti-American, Marxist totalitarian. If you disagree
with them, they will destroy you. Remember that Stephanopoulos, in All Too Human, quoted this President as saying "I
believe that you kill people who get in your way."

It is clear that Klintoon does not care about liberty, nor does he have any compassion for little children.

This makes it even more important that Elian must stay in the United States. We must beat these totalitarians before all liberty in
this country is gone.

289 Posted on 04/22/2000 12:41:47 PDT by TBP (tbpsmd@digizen.net)
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To: kattracks

And these were the people who were so concerned for Elian's psychological well being.

These are liberals. That means that by definition they are not concerned about anyone's well-being but their own. Liberal
"compassion" is a lie. The next liberal you meet who cares about anything but more money, power, and sex for himself will be
the first.

290 Posted on 04/22/2000 13:09:34 PDT by TBP (tbpsmd@digizen.net)
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To: All

I can't believe it.
My beautiful Country.
That I put my life on the line for in 1964-1968.
Has been ruined by JACKBOOTED THUGS who are COWARDS,
COWARDS,COWARDS,COWARDS,COWARDS,COWARDS.

291 Posted on 04/22/2000 13:18:15 PDT by StopBlamingStarr
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To: Jim Robinson

THIS CAN NOW HAPPEN TO ANY FAMILY IN AMERICA

WE MUST DEMAND THE RESIGNATION OF JANET RENO ---- CALL YOUR SENATORS AND
CONGRESSMEN IT IS TIME FOR THIS FACIST TO GO...

OH GREAT FREEDOM FIGHTER, JIM ROBINSON -- HOW ABOUT FREEREPUBLIC LAUNCHING A
SIGNATURE DRIVE FOR THE RESIGNATION OF JANET RENO????

WE'VE GOT TO VOTE ON THIS ONE SPREAD THE WORD

GBWY

"VOTE.COM - Do You Support the Clinton Administration's Forceful Seizure of Elian Gonzalez? "

292 Posted on 04/22/2000 13:25:20 PDT by Fred
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To: Fred

Resignation is too good for these criminals. I'm not about to let them get off that easy. The Constitution DEMANDS that they
be IMPEACHED!

293 Posted on 04/22/2000 14:11:26 PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Fred

This is Clinton's Gun Control:

Federal Police Boobs point automatic weapons in your face; you point your finger.

Remember Waco, Kosovo... MIAMI!

The peacenik from Arkansas loves his stormtroopers.

294 Posted on 04/22/2000 14:13:54 PDT by TheCure
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To: Slyfox

Wasn't it also Hilter's birthday on Friday?

295 Posted on 04/22/2000 14:25:59 PDT by Serb5150
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To: RaceBannon

Elian will be back in Cuba before Wednesday.

296 Posted on 04/22/2000 14:29:19 PDT by Blood of Tyrants
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To: kattracks

Give me a break with all the hollow regrets over Elian. The kid should not be here, he belongs with his father. Case closed.
Blame the Miami relatives for ALL OF THIS. It didn't have to be this way. I now await all the "You're really a liberal!" and
other attacks that a conservative who breaks with the party line gets. I'm sorry, I agree with you guys 99% of the time but this
time I can't. And the fake "I'm so sad" stuff really is grating on me.

297 Posted on 04/22/2000 14:52:38 PDT by PeterPanaro (PeterPanaro@hotmail.com)
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To: D-fendr

Witness: "I was part of the human chain… they hit me with a gunbutt, I was unconscious for a while… I feel this is the
same thing that happens in Cuba… gestapo tactics… negotiations were going on… " He's cut off for an interview with
a member of the NCC, Rev. Joan Campbell: Like he even knows what goes on in Cuba. He could be right, but I am getting
a little tired of all these 2nd or 3rd generation Cubans pretending they actually care what goes on in CUba.

298 Posted on 04/22/2000 14:58:46 PDT by PeterPanaro (peterpanaro@hotmail.com)
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To: kcvl

Keep a picture of "that woman" kidnapping that child To be kidnapped you would have to be taken from your home. This
is not his home.

299 Posted on 04/22/2000 15:00:39 PDT by PeterPanaro
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To: Pray4USA

I have seen pics of the Mom of Elian and this woman who took the boy, she resembles her, similar features and
hairstyle. The Feds probably did not forget to use as much psycho-influence as well as the physical extraction. The
"dr." and dad's phony plea thurs. to the American People were to make this event palatable! Hey man, lets take your kid
away from you and let distant relatives decide on their whim whether or not you should ever see your son again. So when you
walk in his shoes you can then determine how much of a phony he is or whether he cares about his kid.

300 Posted on 04/22/2000 15:05:47 PDT by PeterPanaro (PeterPanaro@hotmail.com)
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To: monocle

Those kids should be throwing their Easter eggs at Grande Loco Clinton, Loco Reno, and Loco Craig.

301 Posted on 04/22/2000 15:08:30 PDT by harpo11
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To: Pray4USA

Absolutely correct assessment, this was one of my fears that the propagandist Federales would do this to Elian. Poor kid, being
told by is Dad that his Mom is alive in Cuba, heck with all of the drugs they are going to inject into Elian, his desire, his need,
his memory of freedom will be reduced to nothing but a happy dream as he lives in a nightmarish hellhole.

If he is lucky enough to have his day in court, I hope the family will ask for an independent drug test on Elian, just to see what
has been injected into his system, along with evidence of physical, and mental abuse, including brainwashing.

302 Posted on 04/22/2000 15:14:15 PDT by harpo11
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To: cynic#456,789

60> SIGNIFICANT -- FOX News only one sholwing footage when I awakened and started watching at 5:10 or so.

CBS, NBC, ABC nothing.

Don't know if this has been mentioned, but ....Greg Craig sent letters to the heads of the networks, urging them not to show the
raid!

Fox News had a copy of the letter(s).

303 Posted on 04/22/2000 15:15:12 PDT by F-117A (clinton/reno are Gestapo!)
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To: White Anglo Saxon

I watched all of this on TV this morning. First, I dislike clinton probably more than many of you, BUT. This is his
father, communist or not. Second, I thought the court ruled Elian should be reunited with his father in the US while we
await a decision. Third, if lazaro was supposed to hand Elian over and didn't isn't that like kidnapping? Fourth, what
would you do if someone like your great uncle or distant cousin had your child in the US and they were supposed to
hand them over to you? Personally, I would want all the firepower I could get to take my son back. As much as I hate
to say it, the boy should be with his father. It just so happens he is a communist. Unfortunately this did give clinton a
reason to side with castro and his thugs.

I agree with you wholeheartedly. Unfortunately, my fellow conservs here, who are so "pro-family" decide its ok to break up
afamily because we don't like Papi's politics. I guess the laws aren't absolute anymore when its the Clinton's and Communists
we deal with. Whatever. 280

304 Posted on 04/22/2000 15:15:34 PDT by PeterPanaro
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To: Fred

Just voted, VOTER.COM:

DO YOU SUPPORT THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION'S FORCEFUL SEIZURE OF ELIAN GONZALEZ?

NO 8,906 74%

Yes 3,182 26%

6:25 pm EST

305 Posted on 04/22/2000 15:27:33 PDT by harpo11
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To: Serb5150

I think Hitler's b-day was on the 19th, if I'm not mistaken. I had heard just recently that Lenin's b-day and Earth day were "just
a coincidence". By the way:

HAPPY BIRTHDAY, VLADIMIR! I'M SURE HILLARY SENDS HER BEST!!

306 Posted on 04/22/2000 15:34:43 PDT by Slyfox
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To: Professional

*uck our govt.

Or at least, until we can take back this country from these pinkos.

307 Posted on 04/22/2000 15:36:02 PDT by Mark17 (Clinton/Gore/Reno= jack booted thugs)
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To: Jim Robinson

Jim Robinson, this picture needs to be made into official stationary, posters, stamps, bumper stickers, pamphlets, protest signs
and plastered all over this sleepy country in order to hammer it home with a loud resouding cry that America being driven under
the influence of a Loco Clinton who is an "out-of-control lunatic tyrannt".

Did you see the letter that Castro's lawyer wrote yesterday to all of the major news outlets to not publish, or show any film of
the seige? Glad that FNS told them to shove it where the sun don't shine and did show it.

These jackbooted thugs even cut the phone lines of all of the surrounding homes so that no one could be made aware of any
SOS calls, I guess this is what it is coming down to in America in the Year of Our Lord, April 22, 2000, Black Saturday.

While Clinton goes back to his oval office after giving snide smirking press conference this morning (in which he couldn't hide
his gloating smile) to entertain an Easter Bunny on his lap, he puts the screws to his arch nemesis, 6 year old Elian Gonzalez,
after ordering his goonsquads armed to the teeth to capture and subdue the little thorn in his legacy.

308 Posted on 04/22/2000 15:42:35 PDT by harpo11
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To: White Anglo Saxon

Amen, Brother. I have several children. My conservative views are in place to protect my children. My liberal views are in
place to protect my children. As a father I see only ego's in these posts. In the memory of what should be My God, My Family,
and My Country. I say... my, my, my to these many me, me, me's. Jim.

309 Posted on 04/22/2000 16:18:06 PDT by Mt.Zerin (zerin@bellsouth.net)
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To: White Anglo Saxon

Sorry guy, the court DID NOT order the return to the father. Second: The father did not have custody in Cuba and the mother
simply took the boy away. Third: The father will not, and does not, have custody as the child is a ward of the State, as Cuba
has so demanded.

This ain't no Promise Keepers situation of a father's rights here. This is pure politics by Clinton and Cuba over a boy. A boy
whose mother died getting him here and whose father gave his blessings to the Uncle and the family to take care of the child.
Sorry, but I think your view is that of a father's wants and not what is best for the child.

I guess we should have tossed the Jews who fled to Sweden back into Germany as they were German citizens who did not
belong outside Germany. I guess any child tossed under or over the wall in Germany should have been tossed back. I also do
not see the thousands of children here without a parent being sent back to other countries even with the parent asking for their
child back. I do not see such effort. Why not?

We are not talking about a situation where the father asked for his son back. We are talking about politics, and a child whose
future is being dictated by dictators.

How about the idea that the father abandoned the child when he allow the child to float on the raft. I hear people say that was
child endangerment. But, we will use brutal force to return a child to such a parent?

310 Posted on 04/22/2000 18:17:26 PDT by DeathAngel
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To: F-117A

I'm not sure how much is local affiliates, how much is network decision -- someone posted above that some networks were
airing. I called local channels to complain. Thank God for FR and Foxnews, huh!

311 Posted on 04/22/2000 18:19:53 PDT by cynic#456,789
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To: PeterPanaro

What are Juan's parental rights in Cuba?

312 Posted on 04/22/2000 18:24:10 PDT by D-fendr
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To: kcvl

No, They are at Andrews Air Force Base. Not Cuban soil.
Roadstar

313 Posted on 04/22/2000 19:10:29 PDT by Roadstar
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To: harpo11

One point to be made here. I was one of those who strongly felt that Elian should be returned to his father. BUT, that changes
about 10 days ago. Cuba then announced that Elian would not stay with his father when he returned to Cuba, but would
become a 'ward of the State'. Therefore, Elian is not going back to his father, but to Castro. After that point, I have felt he
should stay with the relatives in Miami. If Elian was going back to his father to stay with his father, I would support that. But,
absolutely no way he should go back to be a ward of Cuba! I wonder what the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals feels about this?
Should we expect something Monday or Tuesday to come from this court?

314 Posted on 04/22/2000 19:18:37 PDT by Chargerman
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To: dennisw

The sheeple will burp and roll over back to sleep.

Screw you! What are YOU doing except spewing forth smarmy remarks?

It's people like you who give the fascists all the divisiveness they need to destroy us all. You should take your constant, whiny
refrain of "the Sheeple" and stick it in your ear!

315 Posted on 04/22/2000 21:17:25 PDT by jimkress
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To: Chargerman

WHAT DOES A PRESIDENT DO WHEN HE HAS NO BALLS?
HE CASTROtes" UNCLE SAM WHILE AMERICA SLEEPS!

THIS IS A VERY SAD MESSAGE TO THE LATINO COMMUNITY IN FLORIDA, IN CALIFORNIA, ALL
ACROSS AMERICA.

CLINTON HAS CAST OUR VOTE FOR US COME NOVEMBER.
GOOD BYE AL GORE!
GOOD BYE HILLARY!
GOOD BYE CLINTONIANS ONCE AND FOR ALL!

316 Posted on 04/22/2000 21:26:04 PDT by ALBERTO (SEBASTIAN0405@CS.COM)
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To: Jim Robinson

220> Think about what that picture shows!

That stormtrooper came within half an inch of butchering Elian.

One has to assume that the weapon was loaded, that is off-safety and ready to fire. The thug was ripping Elian from the
fisherman's arms with his left hand. Had the fisherman pulled back or fallen back that could have thrown the agent off balance,
bring the gun to bear. One slip of the finger and bullets would have been ripping Elian and the fisherman apart!

317 Posted on 04/22/2000 21:42:17 PDT by F-117A (Where was the Trigger-lock?)
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To: DeathAngel

If he was a ward of the state before taken here by his mother, not his father, then why dose he look so normal? He has a father.
His father came for him. They are going home. I know several Mexicans that were starving and living (others dying) like pigs
before coming here. Are we talking about people or politics? No CNN, No doctors, just the white van.

318 Posted on 04/22/2000 21:45:34 PDT by Mt.Zerin (zerin@bellsouth.net)
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To: kcvl

Actually there is a silver lining in all this. If the Pubbies play their cards right, they can make the commucrats and clinton
administration, including butt boy al gore (lower case on purpose)visible as the lawless, callous jerks they are. Maybe this will
help the sheeple wake from their 401K euphoria. I surely hope so.

319 Posted on 04/22/2000 21:53:39 PDT by DaiHuy
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I have heard the 11th Circuit ruling read, and it clearly says that under the relevant US Code, Elian, even as a 6-year old, can
apply for asylum, and appears to have signed an asylum request. Further, that his wishes can be considered independently of a
parent.

320 Posted on 04/22/2000 21:55:09 PDT by mtrott
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To: Chargerman

About hearing a statement from the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals, I hope they do come out with a resounding denunciation of
the Clintonazi's covert tactics used in returning this defenseless boy living in an unarmed home to his father.

321 Posted on 04/22/2000 22:10:13 PDT by harpo11
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To: kattracks

I want the federal government confined to Washington D.C. until further notice.

322 Posted on 04/22/2000 23:11:32 PDT by Tax Government
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To: kattracks

For the first tome, I believe - Really believe- that Adolf Hitler would have been just as successfull in America. For the first time,
I think it CAN happen here.

323 Posted on 04/23/2000 10:59:46 PDT by csap
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To: kcvl

Don't be so wishy-washy on this issue. Tell us how you REALLY feel.

Seriously. There are so many violations of the Constitution in this it is impossible to count. I know the 1st through the 5th
Amendments inclusive were ignored. We won't even discuss "Due Process of Law" in the 14th.

How do we do deal with this problem? I know. We'll do like all do everytime and nothing more. We'll post on FR and that will
solve it.

WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!! I KNOW YOU DON'T LIKE TO OFFEND PEOPLE AND ALL THAT BUT OUR
NATION IS BEING TAKEN OVER BY A TYRANNY. DON'T BE SURPRISED IF THERE IS NO YEAR 2000
ELECTION AND GEORGE BUSH SUDDENLY TAKES ILL AND "FOR THE CHILDREN" BILL CLINTON
STAYS IN OFFICE. WAKE UP!!! YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO OFFEND SOMEONE SOMETIME OR
WATCH THIS NATION GO DOWN INTO THE TOILET.

324 Posted on 04/23/2000 11:16:10 PDT by Macbeth
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To: PeterPanaro

To be kidnapped you would have to be taken from your home. This is not his home.

Soon "his home" will be on one of Castro's cotton feilds. Or in a casket.

325 Posted on 04/23/2000 11:35:28 PDT by MitchellC
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To: PeterPanaro

Hey man, lets take your kid away from you and let distant relatives decide on their whim whether or not you should
ever see your son again.

Hey man, lets take your kid away from you and let Fidel Castro decide on his whim whether or not you should ever see your
son again.

Because as soon as Jaun Miguel and Elian set foot on Cuban soil again that's exactly how it's going to be.

326 Posted on 04/23/2000 11:42:15 PDT by MitchellC
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To: EVERYONE

Is it me or does everyone on this site and everywhere else oppose the so-called "raid" on the temporary home of Elian
Gonzalez. I personally think that there was nothing wrong with the raid and I cannot see why anyone would think so. Don't get
me wrong, I am as far from a Clinton/Government supporter as anyone can be, but in a case like this, where all of the "parties"
involoved are EVIL, one can only side with the one that does the right thing, albeit for its own, malicious cause. I am refering to
the INS, Castro (the maipulator of Elian's father), Elian's relatives, and of course all of the ANTI-CASTRO demostraters in
Miami. THE BOY BELONGS WITH HIS FATHER in my opinion, and where the father decides to live is his responsibility.
(He can always talk it over with the little boy and perhaps they will agree on something! [Hey, did you ever think that perhaps
Elian has his own mind and can maybe have SOME say or OPINION on his case?]Of course, with people misleading and
brainwashing Elian, he cannot really give an unbiased opinion, but all I'm trying to say is that I'm sick of people ignoring the
younger ones.) About the raid however; what was wrong with it? The family had previously refused to cooperate with the feds,
yet they were GIVEN a deadline!! 3-o-clock in the morning, I think it was. SO LOGICALLY, WHEN THEY IGNORED IT
[AND LATER ACTED AS IF THEY HAD NOT KNOW ABOUT IT] THE MODERATELY ARMED TROOPS
STORMED IN!!!] And to all the idiots that say that a gun was "pointed" at the child.....I want to laugh and make fun of you,
and also ask you to put yourself in the position of the bearded trooper that is MISplayed in the photo, and think about the
situation from a strategic point of view for a minute, ok? NOW LISTEN,WHEN THE GUY STORMS IN, HIS TRAINING
TELLS HIM TO ASSUME THE WORST, OK? A COMMUNITY THAT LEADS THE U.S. IN CRIME MAY EASILY
HAVE ACCESS TO A COUPLE OF RIFLES. ARE YOU REALLY STUPID ENOUGH TO THINK THAT THE
TROOPER POINTED A GUN AT THE BOY?? WHY ? WHAT DID HE SAY?? COME WITH ME OR DIE? YOU
MUST SEE YOUR FATHER OR ELSE YOU WILL BE KILLED?? THE TROOPER IS OBVIOUSLY POINTING HIS
GUN DOWNWARDS, BUT NOT AT THE FLOOR, BECAUSE WHO KNOWS WHAT THE FISHERMAN WILL DO
IF HE SEES AN OPPORTUNITY. IF YOU ASK ME, THE TROOPER SHOULD HAVE POINTED THE GUNS AT
THE HEAD OF THAT FISHERMAN AND DEMANDED THE BOY LIKE THAT...ALL THE TIME SCREAMING
"HAND OVER THE BOY AND YOU WILL NOT BE HURT! DO NOT MOVE OR YOU WILL BE SHOT!!" THE
OPERATION WAS VERY CLEAN, AND DONE PROFESSIONALLY.

327 Posted on 04/23/2000 14:33:47 PDT by Gordon Freeman
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To: Gordon Freeman

A word of advice: Try paragraphs next time, please.

     where the father decides to live is his responsibility.

See, that's really the thing. The father DOESN'T decide where he lives. He's a slave to Castro. If he were to try to defect, he
would be stopped. Do you know how many of Castro's "minions" are in his entourage? I'd venture to guess that half of them
are watching him for daddy Fidel.

328 Posted on 04/23/2000 17:22:24 PDT by Psicosis
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To: Gordon Freeman

 Gordon Freeman
                                                                              Member since 03/27/2000
 
 

329 Posted on 04/23/2000 17:32:32 PDT by matrix
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To: Professional, TreeOfLiberty

Yup, I figured some dumb ass like you would somehow have to put blame on a Republican. Go figure.

Well, TOL can't help it if most congressional Republicans are a bunch of wussies!

330 Posted on 04/23/2000 19:14:27 PDT by NoDemocratsIn2000
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To: ALL

If Elian were Austrian, Clinton would have a Commie Coniption fit before sending him back to the evil Joel Haider. Will
someone please remind me why I still "choose" to live in this country?

331 Posted on 04/23/2000 22:35:28 PDT by streetpreacher
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To: kattracks

And our "Government" tells us we need gun control to "protect the children".

Wake up America!

332 Posted on 04/24/2000 07:58:58 PDT by Eagle I's
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To: Professional

Yup, why not vote for Gore or Buchanan so we can have AT LEAST 4 more years of this $hit!

You fool!! Four more years of CFR/Trilat leadership, and this is what you get.

Only Pat Buchanan stands for Constitutional principles that will reverse this KGB trend.

333 Posted on 04/24/2000 08:08:58 PDT by Eagle I's
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To: Gordon Freeman

"THE TROOPER IS OBVIOUSLY POINTING HIS GUN DOWNWARDS"

I'm sure that was a great comfort to the child!!

334 Posted on 04/24/2000 09:36:53 PDT by MI
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To: kattracks

I don't know how many here at FR ever check out the postings at other boards. If you don't, then click here to receive a rude
awakening.

I don't know about anyone else, but the responses of the "sheeple" at this (the Pathfinder) site are almost as saddening as the
whole Elian fiasco.

If the views of these folks represent even 40% of the electorate, then turn out the lights.

The party's over.

335 Posted on 04/24/2000 09:49:04 PDT by Computer Tech
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To: Macbeth

This what I have said for the longest time and people said I should wear a tinfoil hat. Clinton will find a way to hold on to power
past 2000. You mark my words on that.

336 Posted on 04/24/2000 11:35:58 PDT by BillClintscum
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To: kattracks

General Strike called for on Tuesday over Elian raid Source: reuters
Published: April 24, 2000 Author: Jim Loney
Posted on 04/24/2000 13:12:54 PDT
MIAMI (Reuters) - Miami's irate Cuban American leaders called a general strike for Tuesday in protest against the armed
predawn raid in which Cuban castaway Elian Gonzalez was seized from his Miami relatives.

Calling the protest ``Dead Tuesday,'' powerful exile leaders asked residents of greater Miami to stay away from work and for
businesses to shut their doors from 6 a.m. to midnight EDT to back a demand for a federal probe into the lightning raid on
Saturday that led to Elian's reunion with his father.

``We are trying to do an act of what we term passive noncooperation that will produce a dead city,'' said Ramon Saul Sanchez,
leader of the exile group Democracy Movement.

``We want to send a strong message that we want an investigation of the outrageous act of violence committed by federal
authorities when they raided the Gonzalez home.''

Spanish-language radio stations such as Radio Mambi and La Poderosa, which are virulently anti-Castro, urged listeners to join
the strike.

Many in greater Miami's 800,000-strong Cuban American community were infuriated by the Saturday morning raid in which
armed and helmeted U.S. agents stormed the Little Havana home of Elian's great-uncle, Lazaro Gonzalez, and snatched the
boy from the arms of the fisherman who rescued him in November.

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Greg Craig's Letter To The Media (first amendment?)
Courtesy of Newsmax.com



Lawyer's Letter Indicates Raid Planned
 

                  Thursday April 27, 2000

             See Hot Topics for the latest events in the Elian Gonzalez case.

             Editor's Note: The following text is from a letter written by Gregory Craig and faxed
             to major networks on the Friday night before the Saturday raid in Miami. Janet Reno
             has claimed she ordered the raid only as a last resort. Craig's letter suggests the
             raid was in fact imminent as of the night before. Please note the fax machine
             time-and-date stamp at the top of the letter. Letter follows:

             [fax stamp:]ORIGINAL FAX: 4/21/2000 20:10 PM - From: Williams & Connolly, LLP

             Law Offices WILLIAMS & CONNOLLY, LLP 725 Twelfth Street, NW Washington,
             D.C. 20005 202-434-5000 Fax: 202-434-5029

             Gregory Craig

             April 20, 2000

             [addressed to major media outlets]

             I am writing on behalf of Mr. Juan Miguel Gonzalez.

             We have read news reports that the house in Miami where Juan Miguel's son is
             being held is being "wired" for full camera coverage of any effort by federal
             authorities to take Elian Gonzalez into custody. I am writing to ask that you please
             refrain from broadcasting any such coverage.

             As you know, Elian Gonzalez is only six years old. His father is the only person who
             has the legal and moral authority to speak on his behalf. He does not consent to this
             kind of exploitative television coverage of his child and respectfully requests you not
             to participate in or use any such coverage.

             Mental health professionals have been unanimous in their view that the Miami
             relatives' treatment of Elian - parading him in front of protesters in the streets of
             Miami, allowing television coverage of his every move, permitting national news
             teams to interview the boy, broadcasting the videotape of Elian's middle-of-the-night
             comments staged, filmed and released by Lazaro Gonzalez - has only served to
             increase the damage and deepen the emotional suffering of this six-year-old boy.
             We believe that to broadcast to the public what will doubtless be an extremely
             difficult and emotional moment in this young boy's life will only add to that damage
             and increase that suffering.

             We appeal to your humanity and to your decency to resist the invitation from Lazaro
             Gonzalez and others in Miami to further exploit this young boy.

             We recognize that if one network accepts this kind of coverage, all networks would
             feel obliged to do an [sic]. For that reason, we would urge you to consult with each
             other and to agree among yourselves that this is a line that need not be crossed in
             order to inform the public.

             Very truly yours,

             Gregory B. Craig

             cc: David Westin - President, ABC News Andrew Lack - President, NBC News W.
             Thomas Johnson - President, CNN Andrew Hayward - President, CBS News
             Shannon High - News Director, WFOR CBS Bill Pohoway - News Director, WPLG
             ABC Tim Geraghty - News Director, WTVJ NBC Alice Jacobs - News Director,
             WSVN FOX Alina Falcon - News Vice President, Univision Network Robert Vizoon -
             News Director, Telemundo Network

More from Newsmax.com



                                                                           CommentMax

             TV Crew Assaulted by Feds During Elian Raid

                     Deroy Murdock
                     April 27, 2000
 

                 "One of the beauties of television is that it shows exactly what the
                 facts are," Attorney General Janet Reno declared shortly after the
                 April 22 federal seizure of Elian Gonzalez. Reno's words may help
                 explain why the highly controversial pre-dawn raid was not
                 videotaped from inside the Gonzalez family's Little Havana home.

                 The whole world, of course, has seen Associated Press
                 photographer Alan Diaz's frightening image of a Border Patrol agent
                 pointing his machine gun at Elian and his fisherman-savior, Donato
                 Dalrymple. Video and audio of that scene would have been far
                 more bone-chilling. But when an NBC News crew tried to capture
                 such footage, they instead found themselves knocked to the ground.

                 "We got Maced, we got kicked, we got roughed up," Cuban-born
                 NBC camera man Tony Zumbado told MSNBC. He said that as the
                 incursion began, federal agents kicked him in the stomach and
                 yelled, "Don't move or we'll shoot." Zumbado added on NBC's
                 "Dateline" program: "My sound man got hit with a shotgun butt on
                 the head, dragged outside — he was halfway in — and he was
                 dragged out to the fence and left there and they told him if he
                 moved they'd shoot."

                 Zumbado explained that federal gunmen also disabled his camera
                 and yanked out its audio cable. By the time Zumbado and sound
                 man Gustavo Moller stood back up, Elian had been whisked away
                 in a white van.

                 NBC News vice-president Bill Wheatley told the AP, "we believe
                 that the agents went further than they had to and prevented him
                 (Zumbado) from taking pictures." Andrew Lack, NBC News
                 president, wrote Immigration and Naturalization Service
                 Commissioner Doris Meissner April 26 asking for an explanation.

                 Gustavo Moller called the raid "the unjust way of gaining justice."
                 The Cuban native — who fled Castro's Cuba in 1960 at age 11 —
                 told me the agents "did a terrific job. Their purpose was to scare the
                 shit out of everybody, and they did."

                 Meanwhile, an ambulance took Zumbado from his home to Miami's
                 Baptist Hospital on April 26 after he fainted from back spasms. He
                 suffers chronic back trouble, and thinks "the roughing around didn't
                 help it." As he spoke to me by phone from his hospital bed, he was
                 awaiting further spinal tests. Earlier, he said, "my muscles were too
                 swollen to get a clean MRI."

                 Zumbado said that the federal officers were behaving as he would
                 expect. "They're trained to be forceful and intimidating. The media
                 is not excused, especially when you're trying to videotape them."

                 Zumbado, however, disputed the Justice Department's post-raid
                 claims that they welcomed news coverage. "We were definitely not
                 invited in like Janet Reno has stated we were," Zumbado said. "If
                 we were, we would have had a heads up. We would have been
                 inside and I would not have been kicked."

                 As Team Clinton hatched "Operation Reunion," they appeared
                 obsessed with containing images of Elian's abduction. "The Justice
                 Department had been in angst over this," CBS correspondent Jim
                 Stewart reported soon after the offensive. "They knew a
                 photographer — a still or video man — would be in the house."

                 Two days before the feds snatched Elian, Gregory Craig — Juan
                 Miguel Gonzalez's attorney and President Clinton's impeachment
                 counsel — wrote the major network and cable news channels and
                 asked them to "refrain from broadcasting" the anticipated "full
                 camera coverage of any effort by federal authorities to take Elian
                 Gonzalez into custody." Craig continued that Elian's father "does
                 not consent to this kind of exploitative television coverage of his
                 child," and added: "to broadcast to the public what will doubtless be
                 an extremely difficult and emotional moment in this young boy's life
                 will only add to that damage and increase that [emotional]
                 suffering."

                 Zumbado and Moller were in no position to "damage" Elian, the
                 INS officers, Marisleysis Gonzalez or anyone else. News cameras
                 don't shoot bullets. They shoot videotape. They also preserve the
                 truth, something that occasionally scares the powerful. Interestingly,
                 the Gonzalez family — who Justice Department spokeswoman
                 Carol Florman suggests may have been armed — was left
                 physically unharmed, albeit traumatized by the federal gunmen. The
                 only people in the Gonzalez home who sustained bodily injury were
                 two members of the press corps trying to do their duty.

                 All of this worries human rights activists, to say the least.

                 "We object to any kind of interference when the news media is
                 doing its job, and a physical assault is one of the most outrageous
                 examples of interference possible," says Gregg Leslie, Legal
                 Defense Director for the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the
                 Press in Washington, D.C. "We will be working with NBC or on
                 our own to protest this."

                 Freedom House's Leonard R. Sussman said of the NBC crew's
                 abuse, "There's no excuse for it, and we find it deplorable." He
                 continued: "That letter from the attorney for the president does not
                 suggest an understanding of what a free press is all about."

                 As if the beating of American journalists on American soil by
                 American government officials were not outrageous enough,
                 consider the reaction from the establishment media. "Yaaaaawn."

                 According to the Alexandria, Virginia-based Media Research Center,
                 NBC's Zumbado was interviewed on his own network and its
                 sister-channel, MSNBC. However, he has yet to appear on either
                 ABC, CBS or CNN. While the AP has followed the story, the Nexis
                 news database and three online search engines indicate that
                 Zumbado's and Moller's manhandling was only covered by the New
                 York Times, USA Today and The Washington Post, but just early
                 and briefly.

                 Elian's abduction and its aftermath are huge, ongoing stories. One
                 might have imagined that reporters and commentators would have
                 unleashed unrelenting facts and fire on a physical attack upon two
                 fellow journalists by taxpayer-funded federal agents.

                 What could be more maddening than a government that stomps on
                 the First Amendment? When those it protects know of such an
                 atrocity and shrug.

                 New York commentator Deroy Murdock is president of Loud &
                 Clear Communications, a marketing and media consultancy.
 
 

Update 6-28-2000
 

The government has, this day, successfully completed its cancellation of the constitution and established, for public view, who really owns the courts. The 11th Circuit Court of Appeal and the United States Supreme court have told little Elian, 'there is no room in the inn' and sent the child back to Cuba. Messaging for the rest of Americans should be clear,

1. The Government can, utilizing fraudulently obtained search warrants can take your kids from you and do with them as they please.
2. The first, second, fourth, fifth and fourteenth amendments to the Consitution have been summarily dismissed.

Coincidental to the Supreme Court's Elian ruling, the also ruled that live birth murder is legal and it is moral, legal and just
to suck the brains out of a child WHILE IT IS BEING BORN.

The days of the United States are numbered few.

Caligastia